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Season Two

Lyta

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Well, not sure if this is good news or bad but I received a response to Showtime's "Ask a Question" utility today about a second season.

<font color="orange">Premiere episodes will air through august after which there will be information on season two.</font color>

Cryptic as usual and a little odd considering "premiere" (meaning new?) episodes end on July 19th. So does that mean that we will get an answer after the end of August regardless of when the new eps stop airing?
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I got a response saying they would foward my comments to the programming department. I wrote about this place and some other Jeremiah fan groups on the web and they said they were glad to hear there is such a big following and he would forward it to the correct people so we are heared

capt
 
Lyta - sounds like "we'll wait and see if the numbers are there" to me.

Just like Rangers... le sigh...
 
I try and do my part. I have my DirecTV with TiVo record both the Showtime East and West coast feeds. /forums/images/icons/grin.gif
 
I'm not that sure that'll do it. I think the TV needs to be on and tuned to that channel in order to get back to Showtime that you're watching.
 
Actually your cable box just needs to be on that channel. They cant tell if your TV is actually turned on. If you have a tivo its acting as if your watching it live TV

capt
 
Also when I am home, I watch it on my TV in R.T. while the TiVo saves the Showtime East and West feeds.
 
Channe, wrote:
"Lyta - sounds like "we'll wait and see if the numbers are there" to me.

Just like Rangers... le sigh... "

With Showtime, their decisions don't seem to be just about numbers.

They canceled Stargate despite really good ratings. They keep other shows on with lower ratings. I think "buzz" plays in their decisions. If you do a search of "Jeremiah" on Nexis-Lexis, you find little buzz about the show. What you do find are a few lukewarm reviews and some negative ones.

If it were just about ratings, the show would be renewed by now because the ratings are decent.
 
Thanks, Savant - many of us know precious little about the pay-TV biz. We missed your insight.

I can see where that would be a factor, though. I've hardly seen anything about Jeremiah in the media. Even in the SF media it has been relegated to a secondary position (the only large review I've seen of it has been in SFX, and in that magazine they spelled Straczynski wrong and had more than a few factual errors, and being a writer that sort of thing is anathema to me).

Ok, so the ratings are there. We always thought they were. However, Jeremiah got *much* more press attention in the beginning than Odyssey 5.

While I suppose we can write to the media about it, isn't Showtime's promotions department slightly to blame, as well?
 
I remember about the same number of reviews for Jeremiah, I suppose, but more positive ones for Odyssey 5.

I particularly remember the following review by our friend Rob Owen of the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette in which he specifically mentioned Jeremiah:

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HEADLINE: TAKING THE SHUTTLE 'ODYSSEY 5' GETS AN IMPRESSIVE LAUNCH ON SHOWTIME

BYLINE: ROB OWEN, POST-GAZETTE TV EDITOR

BODY:
Showtime's new original series "Odyssey 5" begins as an action-adventure story reminiscent of "Armageddon," takes a right turn down Sci-Fi Street and then makes a beeline for an "X-Files"-like alien conspiracy.

In tonight's 95-minute pilot, at least, those jarring shifts work to surprise viewers. "Odyssey 5" comes loaded with potential which may or may not pay off down the line. Either way, it gets off to a better start than Showtime's most recent sci-fi entry, the dismal "Jeremiah." Aboard the space shuttle Odyssey, mission commander Chuck Taggart (Peter Weller) and his crew go about their work for NASA, deploying a satellite. It's a slightly improbable group, particularly because it includes Chuck's 22-year-old son Neal (Christopher Gorham of The WB's "Popular"), a rookie mission specialist. It's hard to imagine NASA sending a father-son team into space, let alone someone so young.

The rest of the five from the show's title include mission pilot Angela Perry (Tamara Craig Thomas), Nobel-prize winning behavioral geneticist and all-around rapscallion Kurt Mendel (Sebastian Roche) and the first journalist in space, Sarah Forbes (Leslie Silva).

Mendel is the show's successful stab at comic relief, a sex-obsessed guy with a witty sense of humor. He irks Forbes when he uses sexually charged language to describe his scientific experiments during one of her live broadcasts.

As the report ends, their contact with Earth is abruptly cut and they look out the shuttle's windows to see a blinding light. Earth has been destroyed, the shock wave travels through space and hurls the shuttle about, forcing the cast to do a patented "Star Trek" toss-about.

"It just occurred to me, this is one scenario NASA really forgot to program into the simulators," Mendel notes with dark humor after the ship is under control.

An encounter with an alien being sends the crew members' consciousnesses back five years in time into their bodies of that era. This maneuver gives them time to uncover the cause of the Earth's destruction, which the alien Seeker (guest star Sir John Neville) suggests is an extraterrestrial conspiracy.

The time trip also gives the characters the opportunity to reevaluate relationships and try to do things better. Chuck goes easier on his other son, Marc (Ken Mitchell); Sarah attempts to prevent her son's death from cancer and Mendel tries to profit by betting on a football game whose outcome he knows.

In addition to their personal lives, the five still consider themselves a crew on a mission, investigating the origins of a secret Department of Defense satellite they deployed in space just before Earth's destruction.

Weller is well cast as a commander, and Silva is an especially welcome presence. She appeared in the first season of "Providence" before her character was dropped. She brings a palpable anguish to her character, who retains her religious beliefs despite overwhelming grief caused by the death of her son.

"Odyssey 5" contains premium cable-sanctioned profanity, but it's not as gratuitous as in "Jeremiah" nor as pervasive as on HBO's "The Wire."

Press notes indicate the personal lives of the characters will predominate with their serialized investigation popping up every so often. Future episodes also include shuttle missions.

Where the "Odyssey 5" conspiracy story leads is anyone's guess, but if first impressions are any indication, this series bears watching.


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Sci-Fi shows never get the nod except for farscape and even then it only gets a few things here and there

capt
 
Gah, reviewers. I thought O5's pilot was -much- duller and less interesting than Jeremiah's. I also had this feeling that this had all been done before. It was slow moving and very unbelievable in parts. I also found it too predictable which I hate. Finally, while the language may be less "gratuitous" as Jeremiah, it also doesn't sound as natural. Hmrf, the only reason Mendel is sex-crazed (besides trying to make him humorous) is so they can show some tits once and a while and promote the male dream of having two women at once.

However, it does show potential because you don't quite know where they are going with it. I am going to continue to watch a few more episodes or even a full season. Hell, if I can do that for Enterprise, I can do that for O5. /forums/images/icons/wink.gif

At least Jeremiah feels fresh to me and doesn't treat me like I am stupid. Too bad there aren't enough people like me. /forums/images/icons/frown.gif
 
Had much the same feeling about the pilot for O5 but the storyline has picked up in later episodes. And it has, according to buzz, picked up viewers so this may translate into more viewers for Jeremiah since it runs right behind O5.
 
To be fair, I do feel sometimes that Jeremiah is treating me like I'm stupid- but that's with certain moments, not with the story, which is why I put up with it.

And hey, some of us like seeing tits and hearing swearing. Like it or not, the mighty GKarsEye is representative of a great many men out there- the fun kind.

I never bothered with Odyssey 5 because I just don't have the patience for another TV show. Jeremiah and the Dead Zone are already enough, and the Fall promises 24 and Enterprise as well.
 
gangster and GKE, I was referring to the pilots for each show since that is what it sounded like the reviewer was actually critiquing.

I thought the O5 pilot was slow moving and the characters mostly uninteresting (I liked Sarah) while Jeremiah's pilot was actually interesting and the characters drew me in further (Theo, Ezekiel, Jeremiah and Kurdy).

The two episodes of O5 that I have seen since have been more interesting but still irritating and predictable in parts.

Jeremiah certainly has had it's low points where I think they treat us stupidly but not until later on in the series.

GKE, I don't mind tits and swearing either. I never said that I did. /forums/images/icons/tongue.gif It just felt forced in O5. /forums/images/icons/wink.gif
 
I think that the lack of "buzz" for "Jeremiah" will prove to be its undoing. I'm afraid that after a pretty good start the long run of bad to mediocre episodes in the middle of the season killed any chance of building the type of word of mouth that helped "The Sopranos" and "Six Feet Under" achieve the success they have enjoyed. Both these shows improved week to week, in contrast to "Jeremiah", which merely showed flashes of brilliance from time to time. "Six Feet Under", in particular, did not receive great critical acclaim at first (at least in the reviews I read), but by the end of the first season some of the same critics who had panned the first episodes were raving about the show's brilliance. For a good example of a success in the making, check out "The Wire" on HBO. I wasn't crazy about the first episode, but the show has gotten better and better each week. I believe HBO is running the first 5 episodes back-to-back sometime in the next week or so. It would be a good time to jump on board. As for "Jeremiah", I'm not optimistic about its renewal. I sincerely hope I'm wrong (it's happened once or twice before in my life /forums/images/icons/wink.gif ) because I think it could be a truly great SF program if given one more chance to succeed.
 
I like Odyssey 5. I thought they did a good job of creating decent characters and putting them in a situation that is extremely interesting.

As for Jeremiah, I'm increasingly thinking that if you've seen one JMS series, you've seen them all. I hear the characters giving similar speeches with similar wording as characters from B5. JMS has always had a weakness in that his dialogue doesn't always sound real. You can get away with that when your characters are military or alien, but it can sound very stilted when coming out of the mouths of people who are supposed to be "regular folk".

The last episode I saw was the book episode (I didn't see the beginning, so I don't know who wrote it). At times, I thought it sounded like an afterschool special.

The other thing that bothers me about Jeremiah is that the characters don't seem three dimensional enough. You know their backstory. You hear their dialogue. But, they somehow don't become real people the way good characters do. I don't know if this is a weakness in the acting or the writing in terms of adding nuance. After nearly a season, I really don't care about Jeremiah or his quest and for a series called "Jeremiah", that isn't acceptable.
 

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