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uh-oh....this doesn't sound good.
- Thread starter FireFlower
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Recoil
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Re: uh-oh....this doesn\'t sound good.
Yea JJ's argument seems to be the best one.
If they are having 3-4 NEW roles for "Star Names" only, then why would they even THINK about replacing other characters (like Sheridan and Delenn) with MORE "star name" actors and spend more $$$$ considering this film probably doesnt have a huge budget...when they can get Bruce and Mira in there for less than Star Name pay (but more than they would make on a TV movie to be sure).
That is an interesting point.
Yea JJ's argument seems to be the best one.
If they are having 3-4 NEW roles for "Star Names" only, then why would they even THINK about replacing other characters (like Sheridan and Delenn) with MORE "star name" actors and spend more $$$$ considering this film probably doesnt have a huge budget...when they can get Bruce and Mira in there for less than Star Name pay (but more than they would make on a TV movie to be sure).
That is an interesting point.
colonyearth
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Re: uh-oh....this doesn\'t sound good.
First of all, thank you Darth for the kindness and respect. I hope I've earned it.
Secondly, Jan's scenario of what's going on is the same one I believe in. Since my source has indicated to me that Sheridan, Delenn and Lochley (and given Peter Jurasic's mention at a recent con that "an alien with big hair" will be in it)Londo and most likely G'Kar as well, are all in this film.
These story "leaks" are suspiciously lacking any mention of the main cast. This reads to me (and from what I'm hearing inside the biz) that they are purposefully leaving out the role the main characters play in this in order to pull a fast one on the fans. Remember (as evidenced by what they're up to) suits are notoriously dumb. They actually believe that the fans will just eat this up and not care.
They are wrong.
I firmly believe that the main characters have a large role to play in this. Also, consider that it took JMS a while to re-write after Rick's passing, which indicates the re-write was at least somewhat extensive...thus the main cast plays a large role in this story.
They are "leaking" this so that we will all just accept that the main cast is minor or not in it really at all, so we won't say much or write in...then when they recast, we won't care.
This, as I've said, is Hollywood hardball politics and manipulation of fans and audiences...not to mention the creative people like JMS...for had there been no outcry from us, he would surely have lost this battle. Thanks to a few insiders that Jan, Amy and I knew, we found out what they were up to.
Now, let's get off our encounter suited butts and do something!
CE
First of all, thank you Darth for the kindness and respect. I hope I've earned it.
Secondly, Jan's scenario of what's going on is the same one I believe in. Since my source has indicated to me that Sheridan, Delenn and Lochley (and given Peter Jurasic's mention at a recent con that "an alien with big hair" will be in it)Londo and most likely G'Kar as well, are all in this film.
These story "leaks" are suspiciously lacking any mention of the main cast. This reads to me (and from what I'm hearing inside the biz) that they are purposefully leaving out the role the main characters play in this in order to pull a fast one on the fans. Remember (as evidenced by what they're up to) suits are notoriously dumb. They actually believe that the fans will just eat this up and not care.
They are wrong.
I firmly believe that the main characters have a large role to play in this. Also, consider that it took JMS a while to re-write after Rick's passing, which indicates the re-write was at least somewhat extensive...thus the main cast plays a large role in this story.
They are "leaking" this so that we will all just accept that the main cast is minor or not in it really at all, so we won't say much or write in...then when they recast, we won't care.
This, as I've said, is Hollywood hardball politics and manipulation of fans and audiences...not to mention the creative people like JMS...for had there been no outcry from us, he would surely have lost this battle. Thanks to a few insiders that Jan, Amy and I knew, we found out what they were up to.
Now, let's get off our encounter suited butts and do something!
CE
Jan
Regular
Re: uh-oh....this doesn\'t sound good.
LOL! And you call yourself a fan! Tsk, tsk...
Seriously, though, from some of the 'wait-and-see-what-if-we're-wrong', you'd think that was what we were asking instead of a little bit of paper and postage.
We haven't even started asking for self immolation yet! The day's still young.... :devil:
Jan
Well, now, I'm not so sure I'm willing to die for this campaign.
LOL! And you call yourself a fan! Tsk, tsk...
Seriously, though, from some of the 'wait-and-see-what-if-we're-wrong', you'd think that was what we were asking instead of a little bit of paper and postage.
We haven't even started asking for self immolation yet! The day's still young.... :devil:
Jan
sleepy_shadow
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Re: uh-oh....this doesn\'t sound good.
I would like to agree... to declare the entire possibility "too foolish to believe"... and to expect everything to be fine.
However, I have an inherent suspicion towards the opposite... a habit of considering the worst case.
On the background of aforementioned rumours and leaks... the very minimum I would need to drop my suspicion (anticipation of some irrational screw-up)... would be JMS confirming that everything is going reasonably.
But he... has not found it possible to say anything.
I would like to agree... to declare the entire possibility "too foolish to believe"... and to expect everything to be fine.
However, I have an inherent suspicion towards the opposite... a habit of considering the worst case.
On the background of aforementioned rumours and leaks... the very minimum I would need to drop my suspicion (anticipation of some irrational screw-up)... would be JMS confirming that everything is going reasonably.
But he... has not found it possible to say anything.
Tom Hobbes
Member
Re: uh-oh....this doesn\'t sound good.
I've made those. Feel free to use them as you want to redirect people toward pages that have the info on this issue.
I've made those. Feel free to use them as you want to redirect people toward pages that have the info on this issue.
KoshFan
Regular
Re: uh-oh....this doesn\'t sound good.
Well, my letter is written, signed, stamped, and sealed. Tomorrow it will also be mailed.
Basically I said nice things about B5, said how wonderful it was that WB was getting a new project going, and then said that "without J. Michael Straczynski writing and without the original cast performing, a Babylon 5 movie would probably not be worth watching."
I felt it was important to remind WB that we need both the cast and the Great Maker behind the scenes. I'm worried they might ditch JMS as being too troublesome, so I put in my good word for him.
Well, my letter is written, signed, stamped, and sealed. Tomorrow it will also be mailed.
Basically I said nice things about B5, said how wonderful it was that WB was getting a new project going, and then said that "without J. Michael Straczynski writing and without the original cast performing, a Babylon 5 movie would probably not be worth watching."
I felt it was important to remind WB that we need both the cast and the Great Maker behind the scenes. I'm worried they might ditch JMS as being too troublesome, so I put in my good word for him.
vacantlook
Super Moderator
Re: uh-oh....this doesn\'t sound good.
In reading about Ursula K. Le Guin's opinions on the SciFiChannel's Earthsea miniseries, on this webpage she says something I find quite interesting.
I can so totally hear the suits at WB telling jms a very similar thing: "The movie-going audience is much larger, and entirely different, and would be unlikely to care about the tv actors."
In reading about Ursula K. Le Guin's opinions on the SciFiChannel's Earthsea miniseries, on this webpage she says something I find quite interesting.
I can so totally hear the suits at WB telling jms a very similar thing: "The movie-going audience is much larger, and entirely different, and would be unlikely to care about the tv actors."
vacantlook
Super Moderator
Re: uh-oh....this doesn\'t sound good.
Yeah, and not just advertise for that period of time, but advertise all over the place.
I find myself more often than not thinking that the SciFiChannel can just suck my ass.
Yeah, and not just advertise for that period of time, but advertise all over the place.
I find myself more often than not thinking that the SciFiChannel can just suck my ass.
LondosHair
Regular
Re: uh-oh....this doesn\'t sound good.
...
*ducks*
"Spochley?"
...
*ducks*
Jade Jaguar
Regular
Re: uh-oh....this doesn\'t sound good.
I wouldn't want them anywhere near my ass.
I wouldn't want them anywhere near my ass.
colonyearth
Regular
Re: uh-oh....this doesn\'t sound good.
You better run!
Thanks Tom for the banners! They're great!
As for Earthsea...yea, I can definately hear the idiots ...oops, I mean suits, saying the same thing.
As for that particular mini-series...I watched the first night, and it was so bad and painful I couldn't bear to watch any more. I hope the books aren't as stupid as that mini-series was.
Terrible script, horrid direction...and miscasting out the ass.
Please, Great Maker, let TMoS not suffer so!
CE
You better run!
Thanks Tom for the banners! They're great!
As for Earthsea...yea, I can definately hear the idiots
...oops, I mean suits, saying the same thing.As for that particular mini-series...I watched the first night, and it was so bad and painful I couldn't bear to watch any more. I hope the books aren't as stupid as that mini-series was.
Terrible script, horrid direction...and miscasting out the ass.
Please, Great Maker, let TMoS not suffer so!
CE
hypatia
Regular
Re: uh-oh....this doesn\'t sound good.
I've only read the first of the Earthsea books, but it was much better than what I've heard about the skiffy miniseries. But I confess the only Le Guinn book I've read I didn't really like all that much was "Left Hand of Darkness". It just wasn't my kind of thing.
I will eventually read the rest of the Earthsea books, though, I am sure. The first has proven to be interesting enough to merit a follow-up.
I've only read the first of the Earthsea books, but it was much better than what I've heard about the skiffy miniseries. But I confess the only Le Guinn book I've read I didn't really like all that much was "Left Hand of Darkness". It just wasn't my kind of thing.
I will eventually read the rest of the Earthsea books, though, I am sure. The first has proven to be interesting enough to merit a follow-up.
