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I really hate to ask this

I'm not really familiar with the process the movies went through in production....were they part wide, part full screen as well? I would think JMS could have pushed and made the Movies at least completely widescreen, with proper widescreen CGI.... /forums/images/icons/confused.gif /forums/images/icons/smile.gif
""It's easy to find something worth Diying for. Do you have anything worth living for?" - Lorien "

I can't take it anymore. It's "dying" not "Diying." /forums/images/icons/frown.gif
I KNOW, I KNOW. I've been posting with a neally incorect one for months now, but all of a sudden it has grabbed peoples attention??

Oh well. I'll change it right now, but be fore-warned, I will only be changing it to another misspelling, that is "it's DESTINY!!". /forums/images/icons/grin.gif
Damn, you should have a Shadow avatar. /forums/images/icons/devil.gif

BTW, I noticed the misspelling long ago. It's just that I've resisted commenting until now. I guess it just offends my sense of order.
I would normally reply with someting witty like "Order is just an illusion", but actually I really do believe in an ordered system so.......I'll just take that as a compliment to my challenging the "Lords of Order".

For my next trick, I will make next years skirts unbelievably short, cuz "I have friends in low places". I would steal the line "I'm with them", but I'm not, so I won't, got all that???

Um, yup, that's enough BS. **Waits for the next D'eyeing is misspelled comment so I can change it to something even COOLER!!** /forums/images/icons/grin.gif /forums/images/icons/grin.gif /forums/images/icons/grin.gif /forums/images/icons/devil.gif /forums/images/icons/devil.gif /forums/images/icons/devil.gif

The TRUE letterbox ratio is actually 2x35x1. It is the one with the largest bars on top and bottom. It offers 50% more picture.

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Hi,The TRUE letterbox ratio is actually 2x35x1. It is the one with the largest bars on top and bottom. It offers 50% more picture.

Well, no. There is no "true" ratio. Movies can be filmed in different ratios. 2.35X1 may be the longest ratio, giving you more pictures on the side, but it isn't the only ratio, and isn't necessarily the best. It just depends on what the filmmakers want the movie to look like.
2.35:1 is the largest common aspect ratio. 1.66:1, 1.77:1, and 1.85:1 are also common aspect ratios that would require letterboxing to show all of on a 1.33:1 TV. Almost all commercial films made since 1953 are wider than the old 1.37:1 aspect ratio that was standard when TV standards were set. 2.95:1 is the largest aspect ratio that I have heard of, but there may be bigger! Leonard Maltin's movie book lists the names of all widescreen processes for the films he lists, so you can look up the aspect ratio in the front of his book. The aspect ratio for HDTV is about 1.77:1, so that is what WS B5 is.
Goodfellas is in 2x35x1 and so is Casino. These are two of the best mob movies ever made. Star Trek:The Motion Picture was also filmed in 2x35x1 and you get to see the WHOLE picture.

I was going to stay out of this, since several good answers have been given, but there still seems to be some confusion.

"Letterbox" isn't an aspect ratio, it is a technique for displaying a picture that's wider than a TV screen on the TV screen without losing image by panning, scanning, cropping or zooming.

2.35:1 (the correct way to write an aspect ratio since it is a ratio, not a multiplication problem) is no more "true" than most other ratios. There have been many different aspect ratios used in film over the years. The common ones today are, indeed, 1.66:1 (used mostly in Europe), 1.85:1 (used mostly for comedies and "small" dramas), 2.35:1 (for "big" and "epic" dramatic or action films) and 1.37:1/1.33:1 used for television.

In fact, most 1.66:1 and 1.85:1 movies are shot with spherical lenses on standard 35mm film, and threfore expose a 1.33:1 frame. But they are designed for the projected aspect ratio. Getting the "whole picture" in these cases would not be desirable, because you'd be getting a "padded" frame that spoils the careful composition.

Panavision widescreen films (projected at 2.35:1) are actually photographed on normal 35mm film at a ratio closer to 2.20:1. The wide image is "squeezed" onto the narrow film by using a distorting (anamorphic) lens. This produces an image on the film in which everything is unnaturally tall and thin, but it allows a greater "angle of vision" to the camera. The distorted picture is restored to normal proportions when the movie projector is fitted with a compensating lens. "Anamorphic" or "enhanced widescreen" DVDs are created using an analogous process, except that the image is manipulated electronically in encoding the disc and by the widescreen TV in displaying the image. The two uses of "anamorphic" are not otherwise related. A film does not have to be shot with an anamorphic lens to the DVD to be anamorphic, nor does the fact that a film was shot that way ensure that the DVD will be anamorphic as opposed to "matted" letterbox.

Many films that are released theatrically at 2.35:1 are shot on Super35, just like B5, because the lighting and other shooting requirements are not as stringent as the are when shooting with anamorphic lenses, and because the filmmaker has greater control over the look of the inevitable TV/VHS/Airline version of the film, which will be seen at 1.33:1.

Titanic, Apollo 13, Terminator 2: Judgment Day are all examples of theatrical films shot in Super35. So, as it happens, are Goodfellas and Casino. You didn't see "the whole picture" with those two, in the sense of seeing the entire frame originally exposed, because no one ever sees "the whole picture" with Super35. You can't make a release print from a Super35 master because Super35 uses the area of the frame where the optical soundtrack will go on all release prints for a picture.