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EpDis: GROPOS
- Thread starter vacantlook
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Shaal Mayan
Regular
I gave this one a B I gained a lot more respect for Garibaldi cause he didn't sleep with Dodger .His feelings for Talia which had been obvious are what kept him from doing so .
vacantlook
Super Moderator
I remember it being feelings for Lise that kept Garibaldi from going at it with Dodger.
Shaal Mayan
Regular
I think it was Talia in Gropos cause Lise would have been to Franz at this time .And in Day of the Dead it is Lise .
GKarsEye
Regular
See, exactly! We don't even know why he's not doing it!
Lise? That relationship was OVER. He left her, the end. It's immature to break it off with someone and then complain and whine and let it hinder your future happiness. Remember- it's not that they had an extremely long distance relationship- they were done. She moved on with her life and married two guys.
And Talia? All he had for her was a physical attraction or infatuation at best, with a very occassional flirtation- the kind of thing most men have with like a dozen women, which is meaningless. He was not in love with her.
Also, it was just stupid to have two episodes about Garibaldi refusing the sexual advances of the same woman.
And don't think I'm just reacting negatively to any scene where a dude turns down sex. Sheridan turning down the Nightwatch skank was awesome.
Sindatur
Regular
Now that GKE puts it like that, I'm pretty sure that it was his feelings for Lise, but, not so much about his actual feelings for Lise, but, rather the mistakes he made in his past relationships (especially with Lise). He didn't want to rush into anything new, he wanted to be sure he got it right this time. Then in Day of the Dead, he was back in a relationship with Lise.
Not that I agree with his reasoning for not bumping uglies in Gropos, but, I remember now that was how I saw it as being related to us.
Not that I agree with his reasoning for not bumping uglies in Gropos, but, I remember now that was how I saw it as being related to us.
vacantlook
Super Moderator
The extended synopsis from the Lurker's Guide says Lise.
admiraldave
Regular
Eh, I liked this episode, but "Gropos" is kinda weak. Outside of Franklin's father, I didn't like any of the guest cast (the grunts were walking stereotypes), there's some clunky lines, and I'm this is one were I started to get sick of the over-the-top station riots.
On another board, we were talking about how one of the problems with the new Battlestar Galactica, is that the cast seems somewhat divorced from the rest of the fleet, there's talk of "water riots", but they aren't shown, or seem to affect the cast. But if the alternative is some B5-esque free-for-alls, I'd prefer not to see them.
On another board, we were talking about how one of the problems with the new Battlestar Galactica, is that the cast seems somewhat divorced from the rest of the fleet, there's talk of "water riots", but they aren't shown, or seem to affect the cast. But if the alternative is some B5-esque free-for-alls, I'd prefer not to see them.
vacantlook
Super Moderator
I agree that the episode was -- especially compared to many other episodes -- kinda weak. The biggest hitpoint for me in the episode is the shot at the end with the dead soldiers laying on the ground. And then everyone walking away on B5 after the news report leaving Keffer standing alone; it was probably his biggest dramatic moment in the entire series, in my opinion.
PillowRock
Regular
The problem was that doing a *good* street riot or bar brawl scene (or even small scale hand-to-hand fight) is a very time consuming (and therefore expensive) proposition. B5 never had either the budget or the time in their shooting schedule to do those thngs up right. So those fights go on the list of things that, for the sake of the good story that they're telling us, you just forgive that as having been a a concession to budget limitations (like a lot of the sets, for example).
So when I watch the Susan's bar brawl in Eyes, my "willing suspension of disbelief" kicks in and I choose see an example of what a badass Susan is when provoked (which is what all of dialog and acting choices seem to be telling us). If I took what I actually saw Susan doing in that fight as the true indicator of her prowess, I would have to conclude that she missed every hand-to-hand lesson in all of her military training and had also never been much of an athlete in general. She looks awful in that fight (as does everyone else involved).
I'm not sure whether BSG would have the resources to do one of those scenes well.
GKarsEye
Regular
Or he didn't like the idea of sleeping with a woman he just met and he might, very soon, never see again.
Is that really so horrible?
Well he should have thought of that before bringing her into his room.
Isn't it great to have a sci-fi show that has us thinking about sexuality and relationships in realistic way?
