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Beyond the rim...



I always was interesed in the term beyond the rim. I assume it simply meant the edge of our galaxy but it does seam to have some type of broader context.
It always seemed deeper then just leaving the milky way behind and any race or one who did never returned, surely some of the first ones may of travelled to other galaxys.

Also getting in to that dirty word of sci fi...logic, it would take years or decades in hyperspace to reach another galaxy.
And for the big finish where beyond the rim did Sheridan and Lorien go?

"what do you get if you put logic in a bucket with a dash of reality"
"A bucket full of holes"
"that doesn't make any sense"
"no, but neither does mixing logic and real life in the first place /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif!"
Actually, I'm not sure they never returned; I've heard a theory that, once the Humans and Minbari were as advanced as they were, the First Ones could come back. After all, the Humans and Minbari would be the ones shepherding the younger races by then, but -- remembering the failures of Vorlons and Shadows -- they'd be doing a better job of it. So the younger races wouldn't be so messed up by a First Ones return, because the current mentor races could protect them.

Of course, to take a different tack -- the First Ones go "beyond the rim" and Sheridan goes "beyond the rim." We know Sheridan was on the verge of death at that point . . . so maybe going beyond the rim is a metaphor for dying, going beyond the rim of this reality and into the next world. Which would make sense from Sheridan not being allowed to come back.

But anyway, it's hard to say. I think JMS liked it better that way -- what is not shown is more powerful than what is shown.
Lowering the tone....

I've always found a few Lurkers every time I fail to examine and clean things Beyonf the Rim /forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif /forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif /forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif /forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif


I don't think the Shadows will come back, they are homeless in this galaxy now! I don't think sheridan just conked out though, I think he was transformed in the twinkling of an eye! I think it was deliberately written in a way as to make people talk about it, without there being a definitive conclusion!
From the Lurkers guide:
The main motive for going beyond the rim...there's a heck of a big Taco Bell out there....
I always assumed that when Sheridan went beyond the rim that he became immortal. Apart from the First Ones we don't really know of any others who have gone beyond the rim.
I always hoped that when the time came Delenn would follow Sheridan and rejoin him.

Since it is all fictional, I can imagine anything I want, and that is the way I want it to happen. /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif
I don't think the "First Ones" ever returned, but if you remember SiL, Lorien returned from Beyond the Rim to collect Sheridan. I clearly remember Lorien asking: "....Where are you going?"

Sheridan: "Lorien."
Lorien: "Did you think we had forgotten you, we have been waiting for you."
Sheridan: "Beyond the Rim."
Lorien: "Yes."

Don't crucify me if I'm wrong but to me it appears he returned from Beyond the Rim to collect Sheridan as Sheridan was on the verge of death. What he did with Sheridan after that is a big ????

Lorien did return to escort Sheridan "beyond the rim" and this brings up an interesting posibility: Lorien gave Sheridan "part of himself" to revive him from the dead and later more of himself after fight with the Vorlon on B5 when part of Kosh was extracted from Sheridan. Thus it could be that Sheridan also became immortal at that time but had to give up his physical body to achieve this state. In any event, SIL was sad but great ending to a great series.
Maybe Lorien and Sheridan have become linked in some way, Lorien cannot create a fire, but he can breathe on the embers. Perhaps he also retrieved the flame from the dying fire, and kept it within himself until new material could be found for that flame to flourish again. What I am saying is that perhaps the First Ones made him a new body, it would certainly be within their means. Maybe he has to stay with Lorien while the body is prepared, maybe he has to stay within range of Lorien permanently. Maybe he has just been absorbed into Lorien in some format!

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