Encounter Suits

[bakana]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, arial">quote:</font><HR> against a soldier of darkness theyr fighting stick would be about as usefull as trying to club an assault tank to death <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Actually, judging by the abilities they were said to have, it'd be more like beating Thin Air (or maybe Thick Air) to death. When in the "invisible" state, they can just walk through a wall. Remember what Amos said? "They came Out of the Walls!"

In order to kill it, they had to get it to materialize. Once it did and they started shooting, It seemed unable to retreat back into the insubstantial state.

Of course, we don't know just how bad off it was because of the long period of hybernation and starvation it had undergone. It might have been a lot tougher after a few more weeks of "good eating".

The soldier seemed to be trying to keep from attracting attention. That would explain why, even though it had to be Very Hungry, there were no deaths reported. And why Amos was able to goad it out of hiding.

Most likely, it and all the other Dark Servants were under orders from the Shadows to be inconspicuous for as long as possible to avoid tipping the Shadow's hand too early. Nothing like a trail of dead bodies pointing straight at Z'ha'Dum to make the boss angry.





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[Galahad]

In In Valen's Name, we see a Minbari ranger approaching a shadow with a pike, ready to do battle. Of course he died. Presumably those soldiers of darkness are still out there, so any planet where the population is dwindling in the same manner as Amis's unit were attacked,. the rangers would have to go in and clean up. Imagine if there were a colony of these things. OUCH!

It was definitely trying to be subtle. It headed straight for Down Below, where the rejects are, where it could pick off loners without too much fear of discovery.

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[**DONOTDELETE**]

What do you do with a colony infested with Soldiers of Darkness? You evacuate the civilians and bring in a shipload of Na'ka'leen feeders. Then sit back and watch.

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[bakana]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, arial">quote:</font><HR> It was definitely trying to be subtle. It headed straight for Down Below, where the rejects are, where it could pick off loners without too much fear of discovery. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

By the evidence we have, the soldier didn't consume the entire body, just selected organs. So, they'd have been picking up bodies, even in Downbelow. And Medlab would have noticed the pattern of damage matched to guy off the Copernicus. Garibaldi would have gone looking for the killer with blood in his eye.


<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, arial">quote:</font><HR>
What do you do with a colony infested with Soldiers of Darkness? You evacuate the civilians and bring in a shipload of Na'ka'leen feeders. Then sit back and watch.
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Nah, the Soldier was Quite intelligent. It even managed to reprogram a ship it had never SEEN before to take it to Z'ha'Dum. The only reason it stopped at B5 was because the soldier didn't know about the program that told the ship to "stop and say hello" when if ran across intelligent life. It also had the ability to become intangible.

The Nakaleen Feeder was dumb enough to get captured and sold to a bunch of crooks. Its only "defense" was to hide in the ducts and overheads.

Doesn't bode well for the Feeder in a one on one. With no chance of getting in a surprize attack, the _Best_ a Feeder could hope for would be to eat a brain while it was getting its organs sucked.

The Soldiers would always have the advantage of surprize, so most of the time, the Feeders wouldn't even get a lick in.




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[Galahad]

Soldier's of darkness have never come across compulsive paranoids or paranoid compulsives like Mr Garibaldi before

I get the impression S.o.D's (snigger) are sentient wehere as the feeders are known to be only part sentient, where would the feeders kno where to stick their tentacles?

Also are vorlon ships quasi sentient or totally sentient?

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[**DONOTDELETE**]

If they can sing and play cards I would consider them sentient. It is pretty well established that they can sing, but about playing cards I'm not very sure.

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[Greg Miller]

> Kosh may have been the first Vorlon to die in millennia, perhaps millions of years.)

I got the impression from the Psi Corps trilogy that a Vorlon had died very recently. Been a while since I read it, however.


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[Galahad]

Do you consider the birds of the air, the fish of the sea, the beasts of the field and jungle... oh and the mother in law to be sentient creatures too then?

Whales sing, birds sing, they are highly intelligent, but I don't believe they are classed as sentient.

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[Kribu]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Galahad:
Whales sing, birds sing, they are highly intelligent, but I don't believe they are classed as sentient.
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Ah, but they don't play cards, do they?

As for Kosh's ship... well, perhaps it was capable of playing cards? I mean, what else was there to do on those long solitary trips from Vorlon homeworld to B5 and back?

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[bakana]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, arial">quote:</font><HR> or the Shadows are telepathic as well <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

It occurs to me that we do have positive evidence that the Shadows are telepaths.

When Ivanova is using the Great machine to search for First ones, a couple of Shadows show up and try to grab her mind. She just barely escapes. Remember, she says, "They know who I am, they know my name."

Later, when Delenn, Lyta & Ivanova go to Z'Ha'Dum looking for Sheridan, the Shadows again appear _Mentally_ looking for the intruders. It's the same image that appeared in Ivanova's mind at Sigma-957.






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[Nukemall]

1) With regard to the Drazi not evolving to 'First One' status because of the the green and purple sash business, please note:

Kosh I: Green encounter suit
Kosh II: Purple encounter suit

What happens later? Kosh I helps kill Kosh II

2) Lyta was one Vorlon weapon of mass destruction - are there others?

3) With regard to the Psi Corps trilogy, two Vorlons arrived on Earth, one died, the other went and lived on Venus. Not sure when the other Vorlon died though.

4) Lastly, if the Rangers found a planet with SoD's on, they should evacuate the planet of sentient life, then break out the tactical nukes.

After a while, they can terraform the planet and resettle the previous inhabitants.

Regards

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[Nukemall]

Seriously though, could Kosh I have been the Vorlon leader? Perhaps a tenous suggestion, but the projected image of the Vorlon on the Whitestar on 'Into the Fire' wore a Kosh I style suit, and would appear to be speaking for all of the Vorlons.

Regards

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[**DONOTDELETE**]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, arial">quote:</font><HR>Seriously though, could Kosh I have been the Vorlon leader?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

If age is of any importance in determining a Vorlon's influence he may have well been a leader.

Kosh must have been one of the oldest Vorlons as Lorien mentioned something to the tune of "having met it once, a long time ago". A long time for Lorien must be a very long time for Vorlons.

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[This message has been edited by Lennier (edited June 11, 2001).]

 

[bakana]

JMS has posted that the Vorlon don't _Have_ a government. At least not anything that WE would recognize as such.

As far as Kosh being the Oldest, there is no evidence for (or against) that. Lorien said that he'd met Kosh a long time ago. But, we also know that Vorlons are Immortal. At least until something kills them. Kosh could be the Youngest Vorlon and still have met Lorien a "Long time ago".

As far as his sending ships to Stop the Shadows, all he really needed was a couple friends who agreed with him. Or who owed him a Favor. We've seen evidence that individual Vorlon/Shadow fights are a part of the conflict. Witness the Fight between Kosh & Morden's escort when Morden first came aboard B5. We never knew who, if anybody, won that. Just that Kosh's suit needed to be sent to the Tailor & Dry Cleaner afterward.

We have no idea if he said: "You should see the Shadows" to his friends later.




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[Nukemall]

What I was suggesting was that Kosh I was *the* leader of the Vorlon Empire. The emporor himself in fact (if one exists). It might also help explain how he got the attack on the Shadows to come about (can't remember which episode). If he was one of a group of leaders, the others would probably have dismissed the idea since it came from a 'lower' form of life (Sheridan), and it was against the rules of engagement. I think it happened because Kosh I was the head honcho.

Regards

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[**DONOTDELETE**]

I was thinking maybe the encounter suits inhance thier telepathic abilities?
And if they do how strong would a vorlon be in hyperspace eh?

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[Galahad]

Joe D. I have a question!

I was just leafing through the Official B5 Magazine, and in the very last issue, the timeline guide is concluded, I think this was official as it was in the official magazine but to be fair I'm noit sure.

Anyway, the wording used describes humanities destiny in the context that they stop using corporeal bodies and become beings of pure energy. Heh.

Does this bake your noodle?

As it happens, whether or not the humans have corporeal form or not doesn't matter to me per se, as I can accommodate both views. Just interested to see what your thoughts about that were, maybe it wasn't official, but I'm hedging my bets that you've probably got a copy and already answered this sevberal times over

so I was just wandering what you made of it all.

Okey Dokey?

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