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Old April 25th 07, 01:29   #1
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Brannon Braga Rocks

Yes, I felt cramps going through my fingers when typing those words - hard not to, after 7 years of wondering "WHAA????" about Voyager, and after 3 years of Enterprise just seeming beyond boring, from the occasional bits and pieces I bothered to follow.

But rewatching TNG, for the fist time in a decade, it was a bit surprising for me to see that .. some of the most awesome TNG episodes go in his name. Not necessarily the best social commentaries ever (though TNG often sucked when trying to give those), but the coolest Twilight-Zone-ish quirky Sci-Fi stories that most of us must have loved at the time, before we associated his name with the travesty that followed.

Cause and Effect
Frame of Mind
Timescape
Parallels
All Good Things...
First Contact

... so what the hell happened? Intellectual burnout? Berman's evil influence? Pure lazyness?

I also find his interviews on the bonus features kind of funny. The way how he's talking about what the fans think of him, obviously fighting with hurt feelings, like a vexed child or something ...

.. other random observations about TNG, in retrospect:

* GKE is absolutely right - Riker is cool. I never appreciated him when he was younger, but he does generally seem like the only member of the crew that actually gets the whole Star Trek thing.

* Troi - er..??? "You must come to terms with your grief..." "The boy must face the loss of his parents.." "Are you sure you are happy with this?" "Bla bla bla...." .. honestly, if I ever had to go to a councelling session with her, I'd have to fight hard not to yell at her. How the hell could they keep up her "emotional" crap for 7 years?? (Though to compensate for how annoying she is, I'm fairly sure one can see her private parts squeezing through her suit on many occasions. The small joys of life...)

* With how annoying the Klingons got on Deep Space Nine, I completely had forgotten that they had actually been kind of cool, at one point.
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Old April 25th 07, 01:36   #2
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Re: Brannon Braga Rocks

Damn right Riker is cool. Cool enough to put up with Troi's vicously annoying blabbing to nail her repeatedly.

Bragga is a great writer, as was a Berman a producer. They didn't get to control the franchise by accident.

It seemed that Bragga was the clever story construct guy, while others had to handle things like character development and franchise canon. But those things are, quite frankly, boring.

It's just that, yes, there are only so many stories to tell.

We got burned out by Klngons in DS9 and burned out by the Borg on Voyager.
And burned out by Trek in Enterprise.
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Old April 25th 07, 05:06   #3
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We got burned out by Klngons in DS9 and burned out by the Borg on Voyager.
And burned out by Trek in Enterprise.
Well said.
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Old April 26th 07, 00:55   #4
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It's just that, yes, there are only so many stories to tell.
In the context of a "classical" trek show, yes, in which you need to have stories that are done with in 42 minutes. Sooner or later, it will become hard to kick up 24+ good stories a year.

DS9 did fine in spite of the dried up wells (if season 7 of TNG was really as daft as I remember it - not quite tehre yet), but then, I never considered it Star Trek really, but an awesome show that happened to use the mythology established by Trek as a backdrop.

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We got burned out by Klngons in DS9 and burned out by the Borg on Voyager.
And burned out by Trek in Enterprise.
Also, Voyager killed the cool of Q. Not sure I will ever forgive them for that ...

Which reminds me .. it seems strangely fitting, in retrospective, that Q decided to give Riker a chance to join the Q continuum, while never letting Picard have a moment of rest. As unlike Picard, Riker already got Q's message (from All Good Things) from the start - that they're not "exploring strange new worlds" for the purpose of cataloging species and to chart star maps. Hell, Riker will attempt to shag random alien women even if he doesn't know what kind of genitals they have.
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Old April 26th 07, 02:30   #5
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That's because Riker was the closest thing in TNG to Kirk. This is why I liked him so much. He was a breath of fresh air in a show with somewhat "stale" characters.
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Re: Brannon Braga Rocks

Frankly I can't even watch any Trek but TOS any more.
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Frankly I can't even watch any Trek but TOS any more.
I gave up halfway through Voyager and have not tried since. Nemisis was so poor it ruined TNG for me. Its a shame, as I loved DS9 and some TNG stories.
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Re: Brannon Braga Rocks

I have not gotten that far yet myself. I probably will pretty soon - which is why I'm going through TNG now while I still "can".

It has some quite awesome stories (and some quite horrible ones), but it's all just so .. clean and hygenic. And "feely". Honestly, imagine Troi on Kirk's Enterprise, giving her usual pathetic whiny uneducated "advice". And now try to imagine Kirk, Spock and McCoy thinking that her advice is "valuable", and coming to her for "advice". It just doesn't work.

TNG was the show Gene Roddenberry had "really wanted", which kind of makes me appreciate the fact that he had people to stop him from having full creative control in the old days.

I have not touched Voyager for years now, and I have no idea if I really will again.
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Old April 26th 07, 15:20   #9
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Re: Brannon Braga Rocks

I think my favorite Troi-centered episode was (I think it was called) "Face of the Enemy". She was abducted and surgically altered to look like a Romulan and forced to assist them in enabling the defection of several Romulans to the Federation.
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I think my favorite Troi-centered episode was (I think it was called) "Face of the Enemy". She was abducted and surgically altered to look like a Romulan and forced to assist them in enabling the defection of several Romulans to the Federation.
Oh yes .. I loved that one.

It's generally the "psychology" plotlines (and BAD dialogue) they give her that bothers me so much. I don't think the people writing Troi's dialogue had ANY grasp on psychology, which makes her advise so bothersome, it's offensive at times.

I also loved Troi in First Contact.

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