Ok i was just watching all alone in the night and it got me thinking. We've seen the Grey Council with a leader. My question is to whether this leader is one of the 9 or is it a tenth member, for whom the remaining 9 act like a cabinet???
From: J. Michael Straczynski <71016.1644@compuserve.com>
Subject: The One and the Nine
To: CIS
Date: 3/1/1997 6:44:00 PM << Newer : List : Older >>
Brent Barrett <75063.3305@compuserve.com> asks:
> Does this mean that Dukhat (and any leader of the Minbari people)
> is also on the Grey Council? Was Valen the first leader of the
> Minbari people in the history of the Grey Council? Or is it
> possible that this vacancy in the Nine was the one that Delenn
> later filled? Or am I reading this in the wrong way?
> Can you help me understand this a little better, please?
There's the One, and the Nine...when Dukhat was alive, there
were 9 grey council members and him as the head of it, making ten.
(Look at the picture and count the number of people.) 1 and 9.
Valen called together the Grey Council, formed the first one;
until then the castes had been in constant competition. He wanted to
operate outside of that a bit, so he made sure he was not one of the
Nine. That tradition has continued.
jms
And then having a tenth member who is the leader gives one caste all the power does it not???
In theory, perhaps. But recall that it took the nine (well, 8 of the 9) to vote for Delenn to be the leader of the Grey Council so presumably they could also vote the leader out. The other thing to keep in mind is that Valen was replacing the Starfire Wheel ordeal with the Council. Until then, the leader was the leader without necessarily having to take council from any other caste. With the nine, s/he has to at least listen to all three sides.
Jan
"The One" has always bugged me somehow. If Valen is the one who was, Delenn the one who is, and Sheridan the one who will be, then who is Dukhat? And what sense does Zathras' speech about threes have in this context, if there are more "ones" than three? Clearup please...
Isnt the title Entil'Zha, see the article on the rangers on wikipedia:That's confusing the leader of the Grey Council with the leader of the Anla'shok, though. We don't know if there's a specific title for the leader of the Council but we know that Isil'zha is a very special post indeed. Not all of the heads of the Anla'shok are bestowed the title of Isil'zha, either. I'm pretty sure that this was explained in some detail in 'To Dream in the City of Sorrows' but Mac would probably know better than I would about that.
Jan
Yes, of course it is!! I brain-farted because 'ISIL ZHA' is my license plate. Isil'zha means 'The Future' and that's the message that Sheridan was given when he was captured in 'In the Beginning'.
Jan
...'ISIL ZHA' is my license plate....
Wow. I'm in awe.
[bows to Queen Jan]
Wow this has kinda become a ranger thread now. So after Sinclair have all leaders take the title of Enthil'Za or do some still take on the title of Anla Shok Na???
I thought it was reversed: all leaders of the Rangers take the title of Ranger One, aka Anla'shok Na. Only three people in the history of the Rangers have had the title of Entil'zha: Sinclair/Valen, Delenn, and Sheridan.
Whom are all the known leaders of the rangers after sinclair. Plus in Sleeping In Light it was never stated whether or not Ivanova would take on the title of Entil'Zha or Anla'Shok Na/Ranger One
Whom are all the known leaders of the rangers after sinclair. Plus in Sleeping In Light it was never stated whether or not Ivanova would take on the title of Entil'Zha or Anla'Shok Na/Ranger One
I'm trying to remember the name of the Anla'Shok Na (but not Entil'Zha) from In The Beginning, but anyway there's an example of a leader of the rangers who wasn't Entil'Zha.
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