Crusade sex

[Joseph DeMartino]

I don't know if JMS addressed that particular scene. It may have been strictly his idea (although I don't think he wrote that script) or may have been a bit of TNT's influence. (Maybe an attempt to appease them by the way it was written and staged, without straying from the essential story JMS wanted to tell.)

Certainly he wanted Crusade to have its own identity, apart from B5. It was his decision, not TNT's, to give Evan Chen a tryout on A Call to Arms and the series, and to replace John Flinn as director of photography, all to give the show a different sound, look and "feel." And the Lochley/Gideon relationship was his idea, he had planted the seeds in "Each Night I Dream of Home", one of the original five shows (and intended to be their first meeting.) Given that they are both adults, afflicted with the isolation of command, and not virgins, odds are that they were going to end up in the sack at some point if the relationship continued.

Also JMS is not above spicing things up a bit if he thinks it will add something to an episode. Or have you forgotten "Secrets of the Soul"?

Regards,

Joe

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[bakana]

The things TNT wanted in the way of Sex were much more Extreme.

It was the memo suggesting that Gideon set up Dureena to be Raped by the Telepath auditing Matheson's compliance with the new Rules so they could blackmail him that everyone objected to.



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[Quagmire]

Early Londo and G'Kar were certainly not above jumping in the sack with someone they just met. It was only because of the actor that Garabaldi didn't have a roll in the hay with Dodger when they first met.

Sex when the story calls for it instead of for its own sake was never a problem.

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[GKarsEye]

I read that TNT canceled Crusade because they wanted more sex and violence, among other things. Is the fling between Lochley and Gideon a result of TNT meddling? That kind of "oh, baby, take me now" one night stand thing never happened in B5, it doesn't seem its style, unless they were going for a change.

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[Adam]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Joseph DeMartino:
I don't know if JMS addressed that particular scene. It may have been strictly his idea (although I don't think he wrote that script) or may have been a bit of TNT's influence. (Maybe an attempt to appease them by the way it was written and staged, without straying from the essential story JMS wanted to tell.)

Regards,

Joe

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It was Peter David who wrote that script. I dont belive TNT suggested that to be put in there. Becase Peter David is not new to B5. He did a few scripts for B5, wrote the Legions of Fire Books, and gave the idea to JMS to have the Ba-bear-lon 5 Bear thrown in to space (Acullay it was a gift from PD To JMS, JMS hated the bear so he wrote and inserted the ending for "There All the Honor Lies" so that Capt. Sheridan put the bear into space. Now Babylonian Productions owns the bear.). I also like his own book Trek series "Star Trek: New Fronter". He adds some sex to his books.

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[This message has been edited by Adam (edited July 07, 2001).]

 

[Bester]

I had always assumed that when TNT said "sex", they really meant "sex appeal" (a la Baywatch), rather than "sexual intercourse".

At least, I hope that's what they meant...!

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[Adam]

Well PD (Peter David) adds some sex appeal to his books. Like his charater Captain Calhoun, he was single, attrative, and the Orion Slave Girls love him. PD might take some sex appeal out of the New Frounter books now hes married.

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[GKarsEye]

Sorry, Joe, I don't know the names of the episodes that well, but I get your drift.

I knew they were gonna hook up somehow, it was only the soft-core porn style about it that made me wonder.

As far as Londo and G'Kar jumping in the sack with people, they didn't do it with major characters, so it's different.


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[drakh]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Adam:
It was Peter David who wrote that script.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Nope. Peter David wrote Ruling From the Tomb, where they only have dinner.

The scene we're talking about was in The Rules of the Game, written by jms. His only comments about it (or rather the shot following it) were: <BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, arial">quote:</font><HR>As for the image of the ship docking at that particular moment...yeah, that was most definitely deliberate. When I, er, inserted it during editing, the editor just *looked* at me and said "you are just sick and wrong."<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

 

[**DONOTDELETE**]

"I had always assumed that when TNT said "sex", they really meant "sex appeal" (a la Baywatch), rather than "sexual intercourse".
At least, I hope that's what they meant...!"

Woo, my first post and it's probably going to be something I'm recalling incorrectly.. But. TNT did indeed want a lot more sex, not just sex appeal. One of their suggestions was that Dureena should be a sexual 'explorer'. Since TNT was against Lochley in the first place who knows if they suggested the scene or not, but the shuttle entering the bay was pure JMS.


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[bakana]

JMS description of the changes TNT wanted for the whole Series was:

"Baywatch meets Monday Night Wrestling"

Yes, the "Sexual Explorer" thing was in TNT's memos to JMS. The TNT MBIdiots wanted a "sex with aliens" scene in every episode.



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[Bester]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by bakana:
Yes, the "Sexual Explorer" thing was in TNT's memos to JMS. The TNT MBIdiots wanted a "sex with aliens" scene in every episode.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

That's possibly the dumbest thing I've ever heard!!!! I'm still amazed by TNT's stupidity.

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[**DONOTDELETE**]

Sex with every alien? Gives a whole new spin to the term First Contact ...

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[Kribu]

Well, TNT should just have insisted on bringing back the Lumati for Crusade... have a Lumati representative on the Excalibur. That would have sorted out the sex part.

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[Joseph DeMartino]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, arial">quote:</font><HR>Since TNT was against Lochley in the first place who knows if they suggested the scene or not, but the shuttle entering the bay was pure JMS.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

One rumor that went around at the time, the sort of thing JMS wouldn't confirm even if it were true, is that one of the reasons Lochley was included in Crusade is that TNT requested the character. (The notion was that she was "their" B5 character. If there was going to be continuity they preferred it be with the fifth - TNT - season than the earlier seasons.) I've never heard anything about the network not wanting her, either for B5 or Crusade (although it is certainly possible that I missed something.)

I would be very surprised if they had a problem with her during B5 S5, because at that point the show was overseen by the pro-B5 contingent at TNT - the folks in both Atlanta and Los Angeles who had encouraged the network to pick up the show in the first place. What few notes they generated (mostly from the experienced production people in L.A.) were reasonable and almost always accepted by Bayblonian.

Since they pretty much left JMS, Babylonian and Warner Bros. alone to produce the show as they saw fit, I doubt they'd involve themselves heavily in casting, beyond signing off on the people proposed as regulars. Crusade, of course, was a different story.

Regards,

Joe

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[SamGadsby]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Bester:

That's possibly the dumbest thing I've ever heard!!!! I'm still amazed by TNT's stupidity.

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You're still new at this.

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[**DONOTDELETE**]

"One rumor that went around at the time, the sort of thing JMS wouldn't confirm even if it were true, is that one of the reasons Lochley was included in Crusade is that TNT requested the character. (The notion was that she was "their" B5 character. If there was going to be continuity they preferred it be with the fifth - TNT - season than the earlier seasons.) I've never heard anything about the network not wanting her, either for B5 or Crusade (although it is certainly possible that I missed something.)"

My mistake, It was late and I remembered the stories about what TNT wanted and didn't want incorrectly.

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[**DONOTDELETE**]

Hmm? Why didn't Jerry Doyle want Garibaldi to score with Dodger? What's up with that?

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[Derian]

It's just not something Garibaldi would have done. Franklin, on the other hand........

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[bakana]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, arial">quote:</font><HR> It's just not something Garibaldi would have done. Franklin, on the other hand...
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Actually, if you watch the episode, Garibaldi was willing, he just wanted to ask Dodger if she'd still respect him in the morning, first.

Dodger got mad. She wasn't into long talks and moonlight walks.

If Jerry Doyle had an objection, it might have had to do with his Wife. I beleive that he and Andrea Thompson were still hanging out together at the time. Maybe she was the jealous sort, even when it was just acting.




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