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A -- Excellent 7 28.00%
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C -- Average 4 16.00%
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Old October 17th 06, 21:16   #61
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As for people watching the battle like it was a TV show why not? People do it here,the Iraq war being a prime example.You can not expect every alien race to have human mannerisms or body language either.
Yeah, that's my point. It's *NOT* on TV. It's in their face. They are right there and presumably they could be killed by a stray laser bolt or the station could be destroyed. And they are lounging around. And you're right, you can't expect alien mannerisms to match human. But these guys are human!

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The thing is that the show was of such a high quality that an episode that is just "average" seems worse.
Tru nuf. It was still better than any episode of the Gillmore Girls.
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Old October 22nd 06, 19:08   #62
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no remote probes
So, just for fun, I decided to actually read through some of the Lurker's Guide synopsis, and what's the first thing it says?

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In hyperspace, a probe is destroyed by passing fighters. Shortly thereafter, Capt. Lochley is awakened by a call from Lt. Corwin, telling her of the probe's destruction. "Is it them?" she asks, but the probe was destroyed too quickly to give much information. She gets up and goes to C&C.

When she gets there she informs the command crew that this is probably the scouting party they've been warned about....
I rewatched the episode. Yes, there was that one probe that was destroyed after sending partial info. BTW, some of the ships looked a lot like a Drakh cruiser in shape (not necessarily in size).



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So, we've got our probe encountering and being destroyed by the fleet. And Lochley asks "is it them?" and then talks to the command personnel about this being the onese they were warned about. So they've all been talking about and communicating with other governments about the fleet; it's not like the fleet just came out of nowhere. They've been anticipating them. They were warned about them.

So, just because we aren't given some huge endless list of details about this race,
I am not asking for "some huge endless list of details." I just think that these aliens shouldn't have gone "Poof!" at the end of the battle, never to be heard of again, not even in passing, not even a name, as...if...they...never...existed.



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... it's not as if the people in command hadn't been getting some information on them for at least a little bit of time; the race wasn't some big and total surprise. We viewers get this episode through the perspectives of two plain maintenence workers, so it makes sense that we're not getting some giant military intelligence dossier on this fleet because maintenance workers wouldn't be getting that information either. It fits the story being told in the episode.
There you go again. I am not looking for "some giant military intelligence dossier." Why is it when I ask for tidbits of info., for the aliens not to be dropped like a hot potato, never to be heard of again, it somehow translates to you as "some huge endless list of details" and "some giant military intelligence dossier" ?
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Old October 22nd 06, 19:49   #63
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Yeah, blah..blah.. blah whatever. Either it worked or it didn't. They filmed it, they aired it, and it sucked!
Pretty much. That plus some of the lines are practically like eating a 5 lb. bag of sugar.



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More than even the ISN episodes. This is my very very most unfavorite out of all 110.
I didn't mind the ISN episodes as much, either, but my least favorite is "Believers." I like "Infection," "Grey 17 is Missing," and "TKO" far more than "Believers."



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"Matt what are these things for?"
"What do you mean what are they for? You run them over the floor like this... "
"No, I mean what do they DO? They don't clean it or anything."
"Something for the metal, I don't know. Maybe it makes it stronger."
"You mean you don't know what it does either?"
"No."
"Well, then I guess it's time for lunch."

Give me a break. I'm sorry. I love 95% of B5 but this is absolute crap.

Yeah, like techs who use the equipment wouldn't have a clue as to what that equipment does. That was ridiculous. How do they know if it's working? You'd let these guys work on your important systems? At some points, they seem hardly more knowledgable than janitors, and at other moments, they're tearing into the defense grid during a battle, <u>and successfully fixing it!</u> That incongruity seems like lazy writing, to me. In real life, you'd have different level techs working on the various systems we saw them working on.

e.g. In a nuclear power plant, the guys who maintain the floors are not the same guys who maintain the Solid State Protection System (which the nuclear operators use to control the reactor). Hell, this was almost as if Chris Carter had written the episode (ref. The X-Files 6X01 "The Beginning"), and that's <u>not</u> a compliment.


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Also that, "Tastes like chicken," routine. PuhLEASE!
Routines. They did it at least twice. Yeah, clichťd to the max.


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I appreciated the conversation that Franklin had with that maintenance guy (Bo?). I've always identified with Franklin, maybe because I'm an ER doc too, but I've had those types of conversations with medics. Real heart to hearts, where you give up some of yourself, hoping that maybe it will touch the other person enough to maybe prevent them from making your mistakes, or living through your pain. ...Maybe just to let them know that they're not alone in their feelings, that doing the right thing isn't necessarily hopeless, and maybe they are not the only one who wants to go the easy route and give into the system. That was good stuff. Really good imo. But it was just once scene. ... oh and that scene where Jíkar talks about growing up in bomb shelters. That was good too.

But then thereís that battle where theyíre watching live killing like itís on wide screen TV. The only thing that was missing was popcorn. Even though they talked like itís deep, their mannerisms and body postures donít make you believe that *they* believe that people are getting killed out there. Itís like they are sitting on a stage delivering a speech, not acting in a TV show. More like a demonstration during an acting class or something. Itís just not good. Itís not believable. Not REAL.

Oh yeah, and then there was when Sheridan trusted his wifeís life to two maintenance workers that he had never met before??? Come ON! I just donít buy any of it.
Yeah, but if you were Franklin, would wou want non-specialists working on your medlab equipment?



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And then thereís Byron! Meh. Any episode with him automatically loses a grade point.
Only one grade point? For me, it's two or three.


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There goes the tiny little boost that this episode got for the Franklin scene. Nothing else redeems it. I mean, I do understand where JMS was going. I understand that there are many perspectives and they are all just as valid as the other. I do appreciate that there are always people around hearing part of what we say and putting things together for themselves without knowing all the facts; just as we do from otherís perspectivesí. But it just doesnít WORK. Itís dumb. Itís silly; almost embarrassing at times. At least thatís how I feel.
Same here.
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Old October 22nd 06, 21:50   #64
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Wow, you really enjoy hating this episode.

Then I guess, in a way, it entertained you.
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Old October 23rd 06, 00:26   #65
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Yeah, like techs who use the equipment wouldn't have a clue as to what that equipment does. That was ridiculous. How do they know if it's working? You'd let these guys work on your important systems? At some points, they seem hardly more knowledgable than janitors, and at other moments, they're tearing into the defense grid during a battle, <u>and successfully fixing it!</u> That incongruity seems like lazy writing, to me.

Surely you've had a job that required doing things that seemed pointless. So, I guess you just don't appreciate satire.
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Old October 23rd 06, 00:47   #66
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When I first watched it I had an impression of a "Waiting for Godot " homage, with that bit of Everyman thrown in. As far as the raiders never being heard about again, they might have featured prominantly in Crusade, Season 2 or 3, we'll never know.
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Old October 23rd 06, 05:26   #67
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Yes, there definitely was and element of Waiting for Godot in it.
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Old October 23rd 06, 08:41   #68
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Re: EpDis: A View From The Gallery

Well, since JMS has always maintained that he enjoys starting bar fights over his shows, particularly with his off-format episodes, then I can only conclude that AVftG was an unqualified success, since there are those here who hate it with a passion, and others who would count it among their very favourite eps.

Subjectivity rules ... I love it!
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Old October 23rd 06, 13:01   #69
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Indeed.
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Old October 23rd 06, 20:46   #70
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I always saw the "what does this thing do" comment as nothing more than just an in-joke between sci-fi show creators and viewers about silly strange futuristic technology props used in sci-fi. I never looked at it as even attempting to be more than that.

As for the aliens just disappearing after the episode, two points. One, it's not like we got every day of life on B5 for our viewing pleasure, they very easily could have caused problems down the road. There is like what seventeen or eightteen years between when Sheridan leaves B5 in "Objects At Rest" and when the station is retired in "Sleeping In Light". Plenty of time for some run-ins there. Two, even if the aliens never did bother poking a stick at B5 again doesn't mean that other alien civilizations didn't ever have any issues with them, but the show is Babylon 5 not The League of Non-Aligned Worlds, so it wouldn't be particularly important to show us any of those conflicts (hell, we didn't even see any of the inner conflicts between members of the League during the Shadow War that the Shadows encouraged).
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