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Old August 17th 06, 22:01   #31
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Re: EpDis: Confessions And Lamentations

In Africa, education about AIDS is certainly running into trouble; and AIDS research began painfully slowly, because the original populations affected by the disease were homosexual men and Haitian immigrants. The religious overtones of the arguments against research were not pronounced, as far as I know, but definitely there.

Also, considering that JMS based this ep. loosely on the AIDS epidemic, he didn't invent it from wholecloth.
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Old August 17th 06, 22:42   #32
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I will grant you that it is unlikely that humanity would allow religion to prevent it from studying a disease.
Really?

I wouldn't take that for granted.
Well, I make the argument in the sense that Earth is so divided in terms of religious viewpoints. Just as a current example, take the current debate over embryonic stem cells. You have a group of social conservatives who oppose their use in any way, shape, or form. However, they cannot prevent private capital from funding the research. In addition, other government entites--such as the EU--have decided to fund the research.

Will religion, political ideology, and other human ideas continue to hinder scientific discoveries? Yes. Will this interference lead to the deaths of more humans who could have been saved if cures had been researched more vigorously? Yes. However, I do not think that the resistance would be enough to kill all inquiry into a given disease or subject to the point where one disease could wipe out the human race.
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Old August 17th 06, 22:53   #33
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But, you're looking at it from a 20th century Earthling perspective.

Most B5 races have a single world (Or empire) Government, and a single religion. So, it's really not a question of what you believe, but, merely a question of if you believe or not. so, if the "State sanctioned" religion goes against something, it's not likely to happen unless very far underground.

I the Early days of AIDs, nothing was done really. So, to me it makes sense when looked at through those eyes.
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Old August 17th 06, 23:10   #34
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Very true and Earth's diversity was identified as one of its strengths several times throughout the show. If Earth had a single religion and a single-centralized government that would not permit research outside of approved limits, then humanity could well face the fate shown in this episode.

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I the Early days of AIDs, nothing was done really. So, to me it makes sense when looked at through those eyes.
I see your point and I agree that the hesitation to fully research AIDs cost the lives of millions of people needlessly. Given humanity's tendency to fear and distrust that which it does not understand, I could well see something similar to the early years of AIDs happen again, leading to the deaths of millions more. That still remains separate from a plague that would kill all of humanity.

I do not think we are in disagreement over the folly of allowing prejudice and fear to absolve us of the responsibility to care for those who are suffering. Whether a thousand, ten thousand, or a billion die of a new disease is not the issue. Instead, the episode raises questions about how we as a society respond to those who require aid. Do we put aside our fears or do we ignore their pleas because we view the ill as somehow inferior or tainted?
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Old August 18th 06, 01:21   #35
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We already have known diseases that would, effectively, wipe out all human life on Earth.

Like Ebola, they tend to be too effective, and kill off their hosts too quickly to spread that far.

But come one, we already know of this baby. Imagine HIV airborn? With a gestation period that can be in the years? We wouldn't have a chance.
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I gave this episode an A.Probably one of the best stand alones in the series.The tragedy of a whole race which is about to become extinct and the desperation of Franklin are very touching.The bravery and compassion of Delenn and Lennier made me ask myself:"Would any of the humans do what they did?"
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I agree that this is a great stand alone episode though arc-wise, it does an excellent job of showing the growing relationship between Delenn and Sheridan.

I also thought Delenn had some excellent lines in this particular episode.
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I gave this episode an A.Probably one of the best stand alones in the series.The tragedy of a whole race which is about to become extinct and the desperation of Franklin are very touching.The bravery and compassion of Delenn and Lennier made me ask myself:"Would any of the humans do what they did?"
Well, humans have done that for humans, quite frequently actually. We forget that there have long been people (doctors, nurses, nuns) who have risked death in order to provide aid and comfort to those ailing. Some have, indeed, died from exposure to the disease.

Would an human do that for a virtually unknown alien race? Well, that I can't say by looking at history. Franklin would have, in a shot, if he hadn't been busy trying to find a cure. I think Brother Theo would have, as well. So my instincts tell me "yes, but precious few".
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Would an human do that for a virtually unknown alien race? Well, that I can't say by looking at history. Franklin would have, in a shot, if he hadn't been busy trying to find a cure. I think Brother Theo would have, as well. So my instincts tell me "yes, but precious few".
Yes Hypatia Franklin would have done it because he really believes that every form of life is sacred.

Marcus would probably have done it because he's the kind of guy who lives to help others.

The other one I can think of is the man who thought he was King Arthur in "A Late Delivery From Avalon" because he would do everything to defend the weak.The sad thing is that he was technically insane so he does not represent the average human.
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Well, how do we know that Delenn represents the "average" Minbari?

In fact, from what we see of the Minbari, many if not most would not have done what she did. Lennier, it can be argued, did it simply because at that time in the arc he always followed Delenn's lead, no matter where that might lead.
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