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Old November 19th 04, 17:38   #31
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It would prove that she wasn't any worse than anybody else.
I think that Jha'dur was less about trying to prove she wasn't any worse than anyone else and more about her trying to prove that everyone else is as bad as she is but just doesn't want to admit it.
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Old November 19th 04, 18:05   #32
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It would prove that she wasn't any worse than anybody else.
I think that Jha'dur was less about trying to prove she wasn't any worse than anyone else and more about her trying to prove that everyone else is as bad as she is but just doesn't want to admit it.
Could explain the difference?

Either phrasing says that she is trying to prove moral equality between herself (and maybe her people) and the rest of the known sentients. They appear to me to be logically equivalent.
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Old November 19th 04, 18:27   #33
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Both statements reach the same terminator, but they state different things.

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trying to prove she wasn't any worse than anyone else
This would be her trying to prove to that everyone has flaws. It comes from the perspective that all people try to do good and just occationally do things that can be construed as bad from a certain viewpoint due to mistakes in judgement that one makes along the way.

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trying to prove that everyone else is as bad as she is but just doesn't want to admit it
This is her fully acknowledging that she's got a significant portion of her being that's evil and that everyone else has that exact same evil in them but they just don't actually admit it. That she's being honest in that she does bad things and is going to prove to everyone else that they're as evil as she is despite their wanting to think otherwise.
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Old November 19th 04, 21:24   #34
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Because that would annihilate an entire solar system, when maybe they only want to take out the one planet.
So they were willing to kill entire planets with billions of people on them just to get to one person (Centauri Prime for Londo among others), so I don't think that would be something they were concerned with.
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Old November 20th 04, 07:15   #35
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I would think... that First Ones were quite capable of removing an inconvenient star.

However, even for them... directly destroying a tiny planet (tiny in relative sense) could prove notably quicker/easier than destroying a *massive* star.

Although, admittedly... it would probably depend on how easily a particular civilization could manufacture particular objects... namely black holes below their natural threshold mass. Portable ones.

Because such an object... a pre-manufactured singularity delivered into a star... probably could destroy a star quickly.

Resulting collapse would probably draw most of the star's mass inward. How fast... I cannot predict. My calculation (admittedly intuitive, not numerical) seems to suggest a quick collapse... but without adequate knowledge of the physical principles involved, I could be wrong.

If the star's element composition has reached a suitable phase... such a process might *slightly* resemble a nova.

But this does *not* seem what happened to the Dilgar sun (and probably neither to the Earth sun as depicted in "Deconstruction").

Because the resulting black hole would sure draw attention, and leave no question about the artificial nature of what has happened.
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Old November 20th 04, 17:53   #36
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J'Hadur was a really wonderful nasty character and I have to admit that Deathwalker is my second fave season 1 episode.

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Old November 20th 04, 23:12   #37
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I agree that it is silly that all of the Dilgar would have perished in a nova of their sun. It's not that big of a surprise, unless someone made it go nova. There is not enough data to know. I suppose if they were as ethno or species-centric as they appeared to be, it's possible that they did not mingle in places with others.

A bit of a plot hole, I think.
It would make a lot of sense if, as a condition of losing the war, they were confined to their home planet and a blockade set up. That would be very logical.
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Old November 21st 04, 06:27   #38
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Maybe it was a case of mass suicide. After losing the war and perhaps being confined to their own planet, a 'moral majority' of Dilgar could have become aware of the crimes committed in their name. Then they or perhaps only a small faction among them might have found a way to detonate the star, out of guilt. The trouble is, the Dilgar invasion is only mentioned twice in the whole series, so anything like this is pure speculation.
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Because that would annihilate an entire solar system, when maybe they only want to take out the one planet.
So they were willing to kill entire planets with billions of people on them just to get to one person (Centauri Prime for Londo among others), so I don't think that would be something they were concerned with.
Morden implied that eliminating the Narn was on the Shadows' agenda. "All in good time" or something like that when Londo half-jokingly asked if they might as well not kill all the Narn. My guess is that they hold a grudge against the Narn for kicking them off their planet a thousand years ago.

But First Ones think very big-scale and are patient, so they combined the two goals of destroying Narn with corrupting the Centauri. If they couldn't get Londo, they would just use Refa (which they started to do) or any other ambitious Centauri, of which I'm sure there was no short supply.
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Old November 22nd 04, 12:06   #40
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One of my Season 1 favorites as well.
Sarah Douglas gave a good performance (as she always does) as Jha'Dur. Na'toth was also in rare form.
The B plot was enjoyable as well...would have loved to see Kosh scampering.
Was good to see the non-aligned world aliens too. Did we ever see a Vree?? Are they the ones with the "gas mask" look?
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