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View Poll Results: Born To The Purple
A -- Excellent 23 46.94%
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C -- Average 3 6.12%
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Old August 25th 07, 23:20   #31
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I never saw G'Kar as bad, or evil, but only as someone who was demanding what he considered to be justice for his people.
I kinda disagree, while we dont know it yet, i feel it is revenge for his father rather than his people. G'Kars motives are entirely selfish at this point in the series. The major changes the character goes through are certainly welcome ones. Especially with the continuing banter between G'kar and Mollari
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Old August 25th 07, 23:58   #32
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...while we dont know it yet, i feel it is revenge for his father rather than his people. G'Kars motives are entirely selfish at this point in the series.
Anyone in his situation would have many reasons, and some are bound to be personal. But, that doesn't mean he doesn't have larger reasons that go beyond the personal. His anger at the Centauri is understandable, even justifiable, at many levels.

I think most people are just unable to put themselves in his shoes, especially early on. G'Kar is angry, and Londo is a buffoon. Most people find a buffoon more agreeable, and therefore tend to have less sympathy for the angry one, not having been through what he has been through. How many viewers saw the Centauri as a bloody, brutal, genocidal, despotic bunch from the start? That is what G'Kar knew them to be. And, even if viewers did realize that on some level, they certainly didn't live with it as an open wound, as G'Kar did. So, simply put, Londo was more likeable, even though G'Kar's anger was righteous, so G'Kar was viewed as a bad guy by most people, from the start.
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Old August 29th 07, 10:14   #33
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I viewed both G'Kar and Londo as quite conflicted from the start. I certainly didn't prefer Londo. Of course, further developments in the show bear that out. I liked this episode a lot, especially the end. I like the different aliens, but it's very difficult to make a culture heterogenous enough within itself. Later we find that there are several Narn prophets (G'Quan, later G'Kar too is viewed as such) and obviously there are quite important differences between the Minbari castes. However, I don't think humans are really unique in the diversity, it's just a plot device to avoid complicating things too much.

Why is the poll for Born to the Purple?
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Old August 30th 07, 15:22   #35
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Oh, okay. Seems odd they'd switch over to other threads, though.
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I never saw G'Kar as bad, or evil, but only as someone who was demanding what he considered to be justice for his people. Most humans would certainly feel as he did, under such circumstances. It always puzzled me that he did not get more sympathy from Earth people, prior to the second Centauri invasion. Of course G'Kar did transcend such thoughts eventually, but how many humans would?
It's very easy to take a calm, cool approach and say, "You shouldn't pursue justice in this fashion, yadda yadda yadda," when they aren't involved.
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Another review, enjoy, hate, laugh, cry, it's all good.

http://worldsoforos.com/secondviews/...-105/#more-339
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I liked a number of aspects of this episode (and agree with a lot of what's been said in other replies to this thread). The different religions help the B5 Universe to feel fully fleshed out which is important (although the line up of people from different Earth religions at the end wasn't my cup of tea). I also found myself warming to G'Kar. I think it is the way that he is singing as he makes his dinner at the start.

I was interested to see the use of torture in the episode. While it has been used in quite a lot of sci-fi since (the really quite unpleasant scene from Firefly springs to mind), I'm not sure that space was the kind of place where bad stuff like that was meant to happen anymore.

Liked the introduction of a love interest for Sinclair, much more believable that the red-head from the pilot (and much better acting).

Finally nice to see that all of the ambassador (except Kosh) now have a sidekick. For some reason I always enjoy the use of an unknowledgeable sidekick as a tool to give the viewer necessary background...

OK that's all from me for now. I will try to pop over later with my thoughts on a few more episodes.
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...(although the line up of people from different Earth religions at the end wasn't my cup of tea).
Can you expand on why you disliked that part?
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Man I could barely get through the Sinclair/Sakai scenes while watching this a few days ago. That dialogue... like something from Grey's Anatomy or one of those chick shows, but slightly more self-consciously clever. Who talks like that? No wonder their relationship didn't work- both people are unbearable in personal situations. I couldn't imagine actually having fun with either of those people.

Just thought I'd add a little nitpick to what is otherwise a favorite episode.
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