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Old September 16th 13, 10:59   #71
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If JMS said that, I think that was just him trying to put a good face on things.
Then explain why he brought her back for Crusade and the Lost Tales?

He honestly convinced himself she was a good character and actress. He did not need to write her into either of those.
Actually, when it comes to Crusade, he did. TNT had been adamant that there'd be no characters from B5 at all until one of the TNT execs met her at (as I recall) a sporting event and changed his mind and decreed that she should be in the show.

As for the Lost Tales, it made sense from a story perspective to have a familiar face, somebody friendly to Sheridan on the Station.

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Warner Brothers who LOST all of the CGI files
I heard tell it wasn't that they lost them, it was that they deliberately demanded their return, then wiped 'em. I heard this was an intellectual property move, I've also heard it was ostensibly to prevent piracy. I've also heard that they didn't figure they'd be of any future worth. I've also heard that they just didn't trust Netter Digital.

In any event, most of the rumors I hear are that it was deliberate. But it may not be.

Any way you slice it, it comes up stupid. Honestly, Warners doesn't make much sense to me most of the time.
"Never ascribe to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity." It's standard for the studio to require that all assets be turned over after any show is finished. Given that the CGI files were probably the first of their kind to be turned over to them, anything could have happened from wiping them to save money on office supplies to simply being misfiled.

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Old September 16th 13, 21:55   #72
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JMS also claimed that if he knew that there would be a season 5, season 4 would end around "intersections in real time". And so most of Season 5 would have remained as is. Cut out Gaimans episode, the horrible one following the two maintenance workers and "The Deconstruction of Falling Stars" you only have to snip one episode from Season 5 as shown.
That doesn't really follow. If he sped up his original plan, then you have no idea where IIRT would have fallen into the original plan. It was the penultimate bit when we saw, it, but it might have been several episodes earlier in the original draft. All we know is that he intended to end the season with it.

He liked to use six and seven episode arcs, and you can seen examples of that throughout the show. He's also been fairly open about places where he intended to do it, but couldn't for whatever reason. F'rinstance, he said that had Sinclair stayed on, the mystery of The Line would have been revealed around 6 or 7 episodes in to season 2. Likewise, I recall him saying he'd intended to reveal Control about a third of the way into season 3, presumably as part of the ramp-up into independence.

My hunch is that the war would have ended about 6 or 7 episodes into season 5, leaving around 14 episodes for aftermath.

This actually is reasonably consistent with what we saw, as there are 6 or 7 useles standalone episodes in season 7: "Day of the Dead," "Secrets of the Soul," "A View from the Gallery," the Na'Toth one, etc. Take that crap out, and you're left with the 7ish episode Centauri arc, and the 7ish episode Telepath arc. Which gives us a pretty solid structure:

7 episodes of war, 7 episodes of uneasy peace, 7 episodes of the alliance cracking, but not quite crumbling.

Moving the telepath episodes up to the start really puts the whole season off balance from the gitgo, and all those 'why bother' episodes dont' help any. Basically the season feels really padded out, but if you assume a third of the season was the wrapup of the civil war, then it feels a bit more reasonable.
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If JMS said that, I think that was just him trying to put a good face on things.
Then explain why he brought her back for Crusade and the Lost Tales?

He honestly convinced himself she was a good character and actress. He did not need to write her into either of those.
Actually, when it comes to Crusade, he did. TNT had been adamant that there'd be no characters from B5 at all until one of the TNT execs met her at (as I recall) a sporting event and changed his mind and decreed that she should be in the show.

As for the Lost Tales, it made sense from a story perspective to have a familiar face, somebody friendly to Sheridan on the Station.

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Warner Brothers who LOST all of the CGI files
I heard tell it wasn't that they lost them, it was that they deliberately demanded their return, then wiped 'em. I heard this was an intellectual property move, I've also heard it was ostensibly to prevent piracy. I've also heard that they didn't figure they'd be of any future worth. I've also heard that they just didn't trust Netter Digital.

In any event, most of the rumors I hear are that it was deliberate. But it may not be.

Any way you slice it, it comes up stupid. Honestly, Warners doesn't make much sense to me most of the time.
"Never ascribe to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity." It's standard for the studio to require that all assets be turned over after any show is finished. Given that the CGI files were probably the first of their kind to be turned over to them, anything could have happened from wiping them to save money on office supplies to simply being misfiled.

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Old September 16th 13, 22:35   #74
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JMS also claimed that if he knew that there would be a season 5, season 4 would end around "intersections in real time". And so most of Season 5 would have remained as is. Cut out Gaimans episode, the horrible one following the two maintenance workers and "The Deconstruction of Falling Stars" you only have to snip one episode from Season 5 as shown.
That doesn't really follow. If he sped up his original plan, then you have no idea where IIRT would have fallen into the original plan.

I'm going by what he said but it's not worth the effort to dig out the quote.
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JMS also claimed that if he knew that there would be a season 5, season 4 would end around "intersections in real time". And so most of Season 5 would have remained as is. Cut out Gaimans episode, the horrible one following the two maintenance workers and "The Deconstruction of Falling Stars" you only have to snip one episode from Season 5 as shown.
That doesn't really follow. If he sped up his original plan, then you have no idea where IIRT would have fallen into the original plan.

I'm going by what he said but it's not worth the effort to dig out the quote.
I think you misunderstand me. The War essentially takes place between episodes 81 and 87, and a tiny tag at the end of 80. So that's 8 episodes, with "Realtime" at the 4th ep of that arc. You're assuming that the war arc was always intended to just last 8 episodes, and if the season had ended with "Realtime" then the war would have ended 2 episodes later, with "Stars" after that.

We have no idea what his original plan for the war was. For all we know, he might have intended the war to last 8 episodes, or 10, or 12. Dunno. He was speeding things up, after all.

My *HUNCH* is that he intended it to last for probably 6 episoes after "Realtime." This tends to be the way he tries to structure things, such as the conclusion of the shadow war in Season 4. I can't prove it, but it fits a lot of the available information.
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