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Old January 17th 10, 17:13   #11
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Re: Triluminary Question

I guess anything is possible at this point. This show, for the most part, was pretty tightly written and almost all things add up, but there have been several details from Season 1 that were "changed" in later seasons as the story evolved, so maybe that's why the Triluminary was never completely explained in the show. Left open to be a mystery and see what facts can be debated, which seems to be taking place. Maybe things changed from the initial concept, who knows.
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Old January 17th 10, 20:29   #12
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Re: Triluminary Question

i think what i found when looking for your answer, cus hey, it got me curious too! LOL

is that the com link is a theory by the fans

the triluminary came from Epsolon 3..then went back in time, to go forward in time...

and that the triluminary contains Sinclair's dna.

JMS did use a lot of 'mystery' when he did/didn't explain stuff.
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Old January 17th 10, 20:37   #13
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I looked a couple of the links given above. JMS definitely says that it came from Epsilon 3, but doesn't give any details about it. In the thread Kara posted there is a rather large debate on what it is, and the Comlink theory is mentioned several times there, so apparently I'm not the only person with this in my head. I never surfed the JMS forums though so I'm not sure where I got the idea.

Either way, it appears that its pretty inconclusive. I don't see where JMS said it ISN'T a comlink and its clearly something that's up for some debate. To me that makes a ton of sense --- even if it did come from Epsilon 3 --- but it doesn't seem to be something thats been conclusively answered by JMS or in any books/comics that I can see so far.
Sinclair could have been wearing the commlink when he went back in time to change into Valen. It's entirely possible that during that Minbari & Vorlons vs. Shadow war, that it was among Sinclair's/Valen's possessions and got broken. Over the course of time, the pieces could have made it to Epsilon 3, and the triluminaries constructed (almost certainly with Vorlon help/advice).

Originally, I'd never looked very closely at the center section of a triluminary, and sort of assumed that part was a piece of bone from Sinclair/Valen.


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The only way I could see that any portion of it might be a comlink would be if we'd ever seen any sort of comlink in use by anybody we saw on Epsilon 3. We didn't. Holographic techology, yes, but no sign of anything resembling a comlink.
Why? He was probably wearing it when he went back in time, and took it off before he used the triluminary to change from Sinclair to Valen. So. those bits of the commlink, a B5 Earthforce standard issue item, could have been constructed in the 2250s, taken back in time, and resurfaced in the 2250s.



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We also never saw any sign that Sinclair had left behind a comlink that might have been used to construct the triluminary.
No big deal.. We haven't seen everything. It would have been understandable though, kind of like how you wear a watch; you don't think about it.


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So if it were a piece of a comlink and it was supposed to be linked to Sinclair then how'd that happen, given that JMS clearly states that they originally came from Epsilon 3.
See above.

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It's not as if the 'soul link' is the only mysterious property the triluminaries have. They also can knock out guards and leave no memory of it behind. Links can't do that.

Jan
Vorlon tampered links probably could. Think of Sebastian's cane.
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Old January 17th 10, 21:12   #14
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Re: Triluminary Question

I guess everybody has to believe what they want. I'll simply point out that A) we see the triluminary clearly when Sinclair begins the cocoon effect and the center piece of the triluminary is the same as when we saw Delenn use it. B) there were three triluminaries. How many comlinks is Sinclair supposed to travel with? and C) We saw the inside of a comlink in "Objects in Motion" and there wasn't anything like it inside.

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Old January 18th 10, 01:18   #15
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I guess everybody has to believe what they want. I'll simply point out that A) we see the triluminary clearly when Sinclair begins the cocoon effect and the center piece of the triluminary is the same as when we saw Delenn use it. B) there were three triluminaries. How many comlinks is Sinclair supposed to travel with? and C) We saw the inside of a comlink in "Objects in Motion" and there wasn't anything like it inside.

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Yea, but...

A) Not sure how this is rel event to the theory
B) Don't need three comlinks. For all we know an incredible small piece is all that's really needed to tie it to his DNA and that could be split between 100 comlinks for all we know.
C) Again, not sure how relevant that is, because its impossible to tell what part might have been used in its creation and how big that part might have been.

Another thing that keeps this as a valid theory (and apparently it is just a theory) is that there are more than a few facts in B5 that changed since Season 1 as the show evolved. Since when the show started it wasn't planned that Sinclair was going to be Valen, then its logical that when the Triluminary was introduced, these aspects were never made clear. There were a lot of Season 1 details that later seasons changed as the plot evolved (never MAJOR points, but somewhat minor ones)

You are right though...since it is a theory apparently and has never been stated (or proved one way or another) then people will believe whichever they think works or doesn't work. Seems like a good enough theory to me, and is a pretty cool one story wise.
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I don't see how there could be part of a comlink in a Triluminary. Surely modern Minbari would have recognized such a common piece of human tech, and been more than a bit scandalized by its presence there.
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Old January 18th 10, 04:48   #17
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Yea, but about when exactly would they have realized it was Human tech and been scandalized about it? Near the end or after the Earth Minbari War? Well, it wouldn't have been the only thing they would have been scandalized about. Still, I imagine with so many space faring races it would be tough to figure out what perhaps a small piece is and where its from. It may even just be a part of the metal itself which is supposed to be DNA bonded and not have any "circuitry" in it at all. How would anyone find out where a small spec of metal came from?
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Yeah, plus, how many Minbari actually get a close look at a Triluminary? Just the Gray Council and a few flunkies. How many of them are experts on human technology? Heck, how many of them would actively disassemble one of their precious, deeply significant, and all-but-unique devices to get at the parts?
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Old January 18th 10, 12:22   #19
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I'm sure I remember the comlink coming into the series in season one and that in The Gathering they didn't have them so it would be a relatively new peice of technology.

I was also sure that the triluminary glowed for Delenn in ITB when used in a ceremony and they said it meant that she was a descendant of Valen (still carrying some of his DNA,was she not called a child of Valen?) although it didn't do this when she held it in season one.

I'll need to watch everything again I suppose as I've got so much of the series mixed up I don't know what is what anymore.
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Its a really cool theory, and ties neat a neat sci-fi idea (DNA bonded links) into a major plot element. I'm sure if you mentioned it to JMS and he said its not that case, he will wish it had been.
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