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Old July 14th 18, 15:47   #31
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Acts of Sacrifice = A+++

I think this is one of the most brilliant episodes of the series. There is just so much going on and so much happens in little details. Everything with Londo and G'Kar is outstanding. Everything with Sheridan and Delenn is great. You see that they both want to help and they are both going to help however they can. I think you also see a hint of a spark in Delenn's eyes when she hears that Sheridan is willing to put himself on the line to accomplish this goal. The layers of what is going on is so wonderful. The stakes are so high because if the Narn and Centauri start fighting on B5 it just becomes a matter of time before before there is anarchy. If they start killing each other then others will likely get caught in the crossfire and the might escalate to other races with Babylon 5 being the point from which it spread. I could talk for hours about all of this. G'kar power struggle. Londo's burden of consequence. Delenn and Sheridan stuck in the middle of something they have no real power over. Garibaldi caught in a terrible place with someone he use to consider a friend. Na'Toth stuck between wanting to help G'Kar and wanting to kill some Centauri. Zack's guilt over having to kill the Narn. (Okay they don't go into those last two, but you know it is there.)

Now as far as Ivanova goes I think everything happening there is brilliant, except the sex scene - but only for the fact that I wish it had been done differently. My opinion is that I feel they maybe tried a little too hard to make it funny. Or maybe they just told Claudia Christian to improvise and it didn't turn out so well. Or maybe they were worried about making anything seem to risque. Whatever the case I think it could have been better. And I don't mean sexier or anything like that. I just mean dialogue wise or action wise; maybe more dancing around or something. The concept is great; execution not so much. And everything prior to that is just great.

A chill goes up my spine more strongly every time I see this episode when Correlilmurzon through Taq points out that we have figured away to separate the inferior members of society while at the same time creating a workforce with no power base.

And the best line of the episode might be:

"I'll get the needle." Dr. Stephen Franklin after telling Ivanova he could give her something that would make her ill to get her out of having sex with Correlilmurzon. It just seem hilarious to me that he actually had a tinge of excitement in his voice at the prospect of that endeavor.
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Old July 14th 18, 16:42   #32
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My favorite bit of the Corelliwhatever/Taq plot (which was interesting) is where Taq bows to Ivanova at the end. The servant was quicker on the uptake than the master!
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Old July 14th 18, 17:10   #33
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Now as far as Ivanova goes I think everything happening there is brilliant, except the sex scene - but only for the fact that I wish it had been done differently. My opinion is that I feel they maybe tried a little too hard to make it funny. Or maybe they just told Claudia Christian to improvise and it didn't turn out so well. Or maybe they were worried about making anything seem to risque. Whatever the case I think it could have been better. And I don't mean sexier or anything like that. I just mean dialogue wise or action wise; maybe more dancing around or something. The concept is great; execution not so much. And everything prior to that is just great.
Pretty much everything she did was in the script and not improvised:
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And she closes her eyes, lets out a breath...and suddenly
begins dancing around him. THIS SHOULD HAVE A RHYTHMIC PATTER
THROUGHOUT.

IVANOVA
BOOM-shob-a-lobba-lobba, BOOM-shobalobba-
lobba, hey there, hey there,
three bags full...come here often?
Yes I do...DINNERshob-alobba-lobba,
DRINKS-shob-a-lobbalobba, kiss-kisskiss-
kiss, kisskiss-GRAB!
(non-patter)
How is it for you so far?
Before he can answer, she launches into JUMPING JACKS around
him:

IVANOVA
I slept with you the other night
You didn't call, you didn't write
I think you do it just for spite.
Suddenly she GRABS his hand, clutches it between her own.

IVANOVA
Yes! Oh, yes...show me your
portfolio...lie to me about your
family-yes-oh, yes...
She builds right up to a screaming finish, and a yell that
could shatter glass. Then she plinks open her eyes, looks at
him with seeming adoration.

IVANOVA
God, you're good.
And he doesn't know whether to run or go blind.
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See? While it's not a scene that I go out of my way to rewatch, I loved that everything she said was an all-too-accurate account of many dates.
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Old July 15th 18, 14:12   #34
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My favorite bit of the Corelliwhatever/Taq plot (which was interesting) is where Taq bows to Ivanova at the end. The servant was quicker on the uptake than the master!
Yes that is definitely the best moment of that plot thread. It is a shame Taq did not return after overthrowing his overlords.

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Pretty much everything she did was in the script and not improvised:
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See? While it's not a scene that I go out of my way to rewatch, I loved that everything she said was an all-too-accurate account of many dates.
Okay I guess I can see that point. And in a way if you think about it in the Date/Relationship context it kind of taps into Ivanova's cynical nature. I put the words she was saying into that context, but you showing me them written out really made me realize how that could be attached to her personality.
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I've noticed people say the Lumati might have been influenced by the Shadows. I agree that it is possible, but I can't help but think it could also be that they were influenced by the Vorlons. Yes Kosh seems to want to help the younger races along, but never forget, "They are a dying people; we should let them pass." from MIDNIGHT ON THE FIRING LINE. That kind of seems like the Vorlons see the Narn/Centauri conflict as reasoning to say they are inferior and should be allowed to become extinct. Maybe they don't think younger races are immediately inferior just because they haven't been around as long. Maybe Vorlons see races as inferior if they are not progressing in a manner the Vorlons see fit. Maybe that is why the Ikarran cultural was allowed to snuff itself out and why the Vorlons didn't try to stop the Markab extinction. Both races wiped themselves out through their own pride and arrogance, which the Vorlons might have seen a inferiority.

Of course the Shadows argument also holds. I just think there is a case to be made that the Vorlons might be involved. Either way the Lumati might be on the same course as the Ikarrans.
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I think that whole "sex" scene was supposed to be cringey. I certainly cringe every time I watch it! But it goes to show that the ambassador was so caught up in his own sense of superiority that he didn't seem to notice, or he didn't dare admit he got played.
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But it goes to show that the ambassador was so caught up in his own sense of superiority that he didn't seem to notice, or he didn't dare admit he got played.
VERY true.
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I feel like the Lumati stuff sort of overshadows the rest of the episode. I know I just said in the previous thread (and probably a few others in the past ) that one of my favorite things about this show is that it has room for some lighter stuff. And maybe I just think that it overshadows because I spend too much time thinking about that whole "sex" bit at the end, because otherwise there is really nothing wrong with that whole storyline. That part, though ... It isn't so much that it's silly (and it IS silly but I can live with silly on occasion ) but ... I am bothered that there is no protocol for this kind of situation. I've said that before in my comments on "Believers" and I DO understand that the station has only been in operation for a few years, and there wasn't any kind of place like that before in human history, so maybe there isn't protocol for every little thing. But humans have been dealing with various other sentient peoples for some time now and this is a member of Earth Force. I would really hope that they have some rules that protect their people's bodily autonomy (and maybe that's a weird thing to say about a military force where people literally put their bodies on the line for a living). I don't think it's at all far-fetched that there would be an alien species that seals deals by having sex (I mean, in a universe that's full of humanoid species), but there really should be rules for humans that say "yea, no, we don't do that" so that no one would have to feel pressured into participating in these kinds of rituals. Clearly Ivanova is feeling pressured to conclude this deal, and I'm a little bothered that Franklin seems to think this is funny. It's interesting because when the guy is in her bedroom looking through her pajamas, she's telling him off, and not at all being diplomatic about it, clearly momentarily not so worried about making this deal.

Also, it REALLY grosses me out when she does her little dance and bites on his hair. Ewwww.

ALSO also, why is it that that "you wouldn't be able to handle it" trick is SO EASY to pull off with all these "superior" races? (See also Se. 3, ep. 5 "Voices of Authority" - "The Vorlons said you wouldn't be up for a fight like this"). I do find it easier to believe in this case beause of the general pomposity on display here :P

My favorite part about the Lumati storyline is Franklin almost getting into a fight with them, and muttering "I got your strange notions right here!" to himself after they leave medlab.

The Centauri and Narn stuff in this episode is really good, as always. I like how it's made so that you have to feel sorry for both G'Kar and Londo. Londo obviously got himself into his present position, but you still have to feel bad for him. Or I do, at least "A moment of joy in a lifetime of sorrow. Take it while you can." That's pretty good advice, anyway. Not that I would want to have drinks with Londo Mollari.

Garibaldi does a pretty good Londo imitation!

My favorite scene from the episode is those two dudes roasting lizards in Down Below, because LOL.
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