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Old August 28th 14, 10:11   #11
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I think the only B5 TV Movie I really rate is ‘In the Beginning’, because it serves a purpose and adds real depth to the story. Thirdspace is strictly okay. As you said, it would have done with being creepier. Also, the ‘kill it with a nuke’ finale was also a tad chliched. It seems like a wasted opportunity to delve deeper into Vorlon history.

I appreciate River of Souls, but only as an unintentional comedy, Martin Sheen hams it up so badly that I just couldn’t stop laughing the first time I saw it. That opening scene just kills me every time.

The less said about LOTR the better. Some of the ideas are fine, but the execution was awful. I don’t buy the excuse that it’s ‘just a pilot’, a pilot needs to be strong than it was to draw people in. It’s a fine example of why B5 didn’t need spin off shows.
My favorite B5 movies were "In the Beginning" and "A Call to Arms" (which served as a fine lead in to a worthy spin off show.). If only TNT-Atlanta hadn't been such a massive collection of assholes.
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Old August 28th 14, 11:18   #12
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My favorite B5 movies were "In the Beginning" and "A Call to Arms" (which served as a fine lead in to a worthy spin off show.). If only TNT-Atlanta hadn't been such a massive collection of assholes.
Whilst I struggled with a lot of Crusade, it did have some good moments and the overall feel was far more interesting than LOTR from the go get. If anything deserved to continue, it was Crusade. I believe LOTR was the result of Sci-fi channel rejecting a continuation of Crusade. So they asked for something new they could run with. A real shame that the budgets had all been pre-agreed and they couldn’t fit Crusade in to transition it seamlessly from TNT. From what I heard, they tried hard to make it work, but ultimately couldn’t.

With Crusade, I’m confident it would have gone good placed had it been allowed to. With LOTR, I’m not so sure. Some of the later unfilmed Crusade scripts were definitely leading somewhere interesting. It still ain’t no B5, but it was a competent ship show, and there aren’t really any of those left now.

I read that there were hints that LOTR would have eventually joined up with the Crusade storyline, it may have even become a vehicle for sorting out those loose ends. Even so, I’m not exactly sad it didn’t got to series.
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Old August 28th 14, 19:19   #13
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I appreciate River of Souls, but only as an unintentional comedy, Martin Sheen hams it up so badly that I just couldn’t stop laughing the first time I saw it. That opening scene just kills me every time.
Do you mean Ian McShane instead? The opening scene was the archaeological dig wasn't it? I rather quite liked that scene, the productions values seemed a step up from the usual B5 outdoor off-world sets. Unfortunately Ian McShane was just there for his pay cheque, which is a shame as I always liked him in Lovejoy.

At least Martin Sheen seemed to get into the spirit of the script and he seemed to quite enjoy doing it from the interviews I read. His approach to the character was a little bit unusual, but I'm a West Wing junkie so I give him the benefit of the doubt.

I think if River of Souls dropped the love bat stuff, which was silly, and the holobrothel stuff, which was silly and lowered the tone, and cut out a bit of the padding it would have made for a decent regular episode. Trouble is the logic of the denouement is daft – the holograms shouldn't have been able to exist outside of the holo-transmitters (much less be possessed by souls!)

Thirdspace is alright – it's throwaway, but fun. Interesting Wayne Barlow designs which, as you have all said, should have been scarier on film, but it was nice to get a bit more background on the Vorlons.
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I think Crusade had the potential to be scarier than Thirdspace, e.g. with Galen in one of the unfilmed scripts, on an Earthforce Black Projects base, seeing how Shadowtech is grown (using captured Narn and Minbari as source material.). Think "Invasion of the Body Snatchers" (1978) when Brooke Adams human form is consumed (becoming a dried husk) in forming her alien double. Crusade seemed to be delving into more horrific storylines.
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Old August 29th 14, 08:16   #15
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Do you mean Ian McShane instead? The opening scene was the archaeological dig wasn't it? I rather quite liked that scene, the productions values seemed a step up from the usual B5 outdoor off-world sets. Unfortunately Ian McShane was just there for his pay cheque, which is a shame as I always liked him in Lovejoy.
Nope, definitely mean Martin Sheen. Sorry, when I said ‘opening’, I should have been more specific. I’m thinking of Martin’s rather dramatic entrance as the Soul Hunter when he arrives at the station. The opening scene with Ian McShane was fine, if memory serves me well.

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I think if River of Souls dropped the love bat stuff, which was silly, and the holobrothel stuff, which was silly and lowered the tone, and cut out a bit of the padding it would have made for a decent regular episode. Trouble is the logic of the denouement is daft – the holograms shouldn't have been able to exist outside of the holo-transmitters (much less be possessed by souls!)
Agreed. I tend to have an issue with ‘silly’ in B5. JMS schoolboy sense of humour and I just don’t get on too well. Many of his jokes fall very flat for me, especially when in the hands of less capable actors. Andreas and Peter somehow managed to make a lot of their more humorous lines work. Perhaps it’s all down to timing? But when you transfer that same style of humour, to say, Claudia Christian, it just doesn’t work at all. I dunno, perhaps the quality of the ‘comedy’ material varies depending on character. I think the ‘staunch and Russian’ characterization with Ivanova (mostly achieved by her mentioning she’s Russian every 5 minutes!) perhaps clashed with attempts at light heartedness. It’s an odd one, because Claudia was amazing in ‘Freaks and Geeks’ which served up some amazing comedy. It’s probably just a matter of taste, but when B5 goes silly, it tends to fall very flat.

I end up laughing at more stuff that isn’t intended to be funny. i.e. A lot of ‘River of Souls’ cracks me up, and some of the hammier acting throughout the series always gets a few knowing chuckles from me. I think a love of B-movies has helped me enjoy B5 without being too judgemental of tight budgets and sometimes questionable acting ability!
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Some of us enjoy Joe's type of humor quite a bit. I think Claudia is very good at it too, Babylon 5 included (I think her scenes in Acts of Sacrifice are classic).
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Some of us enjoy Joe's type of humor quite a bit. I think Claudia is very good at it too, Babylon 5 included (I think her scenes in Acts of Sacrifice are classic).
I think that scene... the 'sex' one is a marmite thing... you either love it or hate it. I think Claudia carries funny material very well, it's just that my definition of good comedy seems to differ drastically with JMS'.
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Some of us enjoy Joe's type of humor quite a bit. I think Claudia is very good at it too, Babylon 5 included (I think her scenes in Acts of Sacrifice are classic).
I think that scene... the 'sex' one is a marmite thing... you either love it or hate it. I think Claudia carries funny material very well, it's just that my definition of good comedy seems to differ drastically with JMS'.
I had always hated that scene but I watched it just the other week and while I still think it comes across as out of place, in some ways it's quite clever – maybe a little too clever.

Any humour with Londo or Vir works for me. And some of the gentle humour is nice too, like Sheridan falling asleep when invited to dinner by Delenn and Lennier – "That sound, is that part of human meditation?"

I think when B5 tries too hard with the humour, or reduces itself to schoolboy humour, is when it doesn't work so well.
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Some of us enjoy Joe's type of humor quite a bit. I think Claudia is very good at it too, Babylon 5 included (I think her scenes in Acts of Sacrifice are classic).
I think that scene... the 'sex' one is a marmite thing... you either love it or hate it. I think Claudia carries funny material very well, it's just that my definition of good comedy seems to differ drastically with JMS'.
Except for Paul Williams' comical reaction at the end of the 'sex' scene, I find the whole scene cringeworthy. I can barely force myself to watch Claudia's little song and dance number.

Claudia has a lot of comedic moments in B5, but the sex scene isn't one of them. It's just painfully awkward. Neither is her Thirdspace comment about wanting to see the captured raiders get a sniff of Drazi cooking funny. However, her "Next time, my way." and that look, after the sex scene in Acts of Sacrifice, is funny, to me anyway.
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I think when B5 tries too hard with the humour, or reduces itself to schoolboy humour, is when it doesn't work so well.
Springer, yes! This is my feeling EXACTLY. You nailed it.
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