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Old August 18th 07, 22:50   #61
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Re: New vote for worst episode ever: Between the Darkness and the Light

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Jack the Ripper was 1888 mainly around Whitechapel and Spitafields in the East End. Harrisford Lane, where Sebastian said he resided, doesn't appear to exist.
Wasn't it Heresford Lane? That's 100% from memory, and how I'd spell what I heard. I'll have to go back and watch it again.
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Old August 18th 07, 23:22   #62
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Wasn't it Heresford Lane? That's 100% from memory, and how I'd spell what I heard. I'll have to go back and watch it again.
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My name is Sebastian, I resided at 14B Heresford Lane in London in the year of our lord 1888.
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Old August 19th 07, 00:33   #63
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Re: New vote for worst episode ever: Between the Darkness and the Light

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My thoughts exactly. The Mutai thing was a bit corny at first, but I learned to appreciate parts of it, and Walker Smith. He really symbolized the "average human" and their fear and distrust of aliens...and he overcame it and learned to respect them. The Susan part of the show was also decent character building, and a big insight into her personality.
That is close to my feelings. I have defended TKO so often, I'm getting tired of it.

From my first viewing, I liked the ironies, and the lessons on racism in the A part of TKO. Walker-Smith is a black man, presumably from the US, but certainly from Earth. Perhaps racism towards other skin colors has disappeared on Earth, but at least historically, his kind were the victims of racism, and much more. Well, he is racist, prejudiced against the "snake heads." They, in turn, are prejudiced against him, for being human. Eventually, they learn mutual respect, abandoning their racism. Not a great ep, but certainly a decent one.
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Old August 19th 07, 14:03   #64
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Wasn't it Heresford Lane? That's 100% from memory, and how I'd spell what I heard. I'll have to go back and watch it again.
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Oops, to be honest I thought it was Heresford Lane too, but when I googled the line to check the spelling the first web page to come up spelled it Harrisford..

Well, I found a reference to a Heresford Lane in Queensbury, NY, but still no sign of one in London..

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That is close to my feelings. I have defended TKO so often, I'm getting tired of it.

From my first viewing, I liked the ironies, and the lessons on racism in the A part of TKO. Walker-Smith is a black man, presumably from the US, but certainly from Earth. Perhaps racism towards other skin colors has disappeared on Earth, but at least historically, his kind were the victims of racism, and much more. Well, he is racist, prejudiced against the "snake heads." They, in turn, are prejudiced against him, for being human. Eventually, they learn mutual respect, abandoning their racism. Not a great ep, but certainly a decent one.

Just because someone doesn't like TKO doesn't mean they don't appreciate the subjects. My problem with it is more like most fans' problem with Infection: acting, pacing, and general dramatic structure and presentation, rather than plot.
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Just because someone doesn't like TKO doesn't mean they don't appreciate the subjects. My problem with it is more like most fans' problem with Infection: acting, pacing, and general dramatic structure and presentation, rather than plot.
Which is ironic, because mainly that is my issue with the episode I started this thread about. Yes, the CONTENT of the episode is decent, but IMO it failed in almost every category, and for me, ranks at the bottom. I guess I didn't have as harsh a reaction to those elements for TKO as I did BtDatL.
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Re: New vote for worst episode ever: Between the Darkness and the Light

And those differences of perspective are exactly why we are still here talking about the show almost 10 years after it ended.
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I guess I didn't have as harsh a reaction to those elements for TKO as I did BtDatL
And the reason for this would be what you wrote in the original post:

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Its too bad too, because it is sandwiched between two strong episodes IMO --- Endgame and Intersections in Real Time. This episode should be one of the great ones, but its far off the mark.
...while TKO is sandwhiched between, what, Grail and some other blah season 1 thing?

After a pretty strong burst of initial episodes, season 1 suffers from major inconsistency, while season 4 is the golden era for B5, so a dip in quality is more noticeable.

I plan on re-watching the series relatively soon (after I catch up with Lost and finish Rome and after I install a shelf for my DVDs), so I'll keep an eye for this one.
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...while TKO is sandwhiched between, what, Grail and some other blah season 1 thing?
Err... Have you actually checked which other blah season 1 thing that is that it's sandwiched between...?
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Err... Have you actually checked which other blah season 1 thing that is that it's sandwiched between...?
Oh, you mean that crappy episode; Signs and Portents
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