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Old August 8th 14, 23:39   #61
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If this new movie or series of movies violates what has gone on before, then I will be unhappy. Until we have more details let's not assume the worst.

I am still not entirely enamoured with the new Trek films, the whole "sweeping the board clean" approach is on some level quite disrespectful, especially when the movies themselves don't necessarily use that to tell fresh stories but only rehash old plots. But that's another discussion!

JMS is the one behind this production so I am sure no-one would be more interested in protecting what has gone on before than him.
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Rebooting it for a movie, though? This seems misguided. Compressing 110 hours of story into 6 hours of screen time told over the course of 6 years or so. I dunno, I read that and I feel something break inside me, and I think it might just be one revival attempt too far.
Where did you get the 6 hours of screen time over the course of 6 years or so? It's certainly nothing JMS has said in the past several years.

Why not just see what he does? And for those who're interested, I've transcribed the relevant portions of JMS' spotlight panel where he made the announcement.

http://jmsnews.com/forums/showpost.p...&postcount=129

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Is this some kind of brilliantly timed, nerd-focussed April Fool's day joke?

It took me 15 years to give up hoping for more Babylon 5. Was THAT the secret to getting it back?

Yipeeeeeeeeeee. If it turns out to be true.

Phooooey. If it's not.
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oh it's true alright.

interesting to see how he handles it. will he tackle one of the major story arcs, or one of the minor ones? How's he going to mix it up? with more money he can do all the things he wants without having to worry about restrictions. so much scope for a brilliant movie.
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Is this some kind of brilliantly timed, nerd-focussed April Fool's day joke?

It took me 15 years to give up hoping for more Babylon 5. Was THAT the secret to getting it back?

Yipeeeeeeeeeee. If it turns out to be true.

Phooooey. If it's not.

I agree 150,000%
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oh it's true alright.

interesting to see how he handles it. will he tackle one of the major story arcs, or one of the minor ones? How's he going to mix it up? with more money he can do all the things he wants without having to worry about restrictions. so much scope for a brilliant movie.
Seems like no matter what he does it would have to be geared as the beginning of a series and ending with a cliffhanger.

I'm actually quite baffled at how he can reboot with a standalone film. Focusing on a Station was a great idea for a budget conscious TV show, but seems limiting in terms of a film.

It's really too bad that they never got funded for the TV show reboot. My hope would be for WB to find a distributor for a TV reboot and get JMS to cancel the film.
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Rebooting it for a movie, though? This seems misguided. Compressing 110 hours of story into 6 hours of screen time told over the course of 6 years or so. I dunno, I read that and I feel something break inside me, and I think it might just be one revival attempt too far.
Where did you get the 6 hours of screen time over the course of 6 years or so? It's certainly nothing JMS has said in the past several years.

Why not just see what he does? And for those who're interested, I've transcribed the relevant portions of JMS' spotlight panel where he made the announcement.

http://jmsnews.com/forums/showpost.p...&postcount=129

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Thanks for the link. I'm impressed that he wouldn't use crowd sourcing as a source of funding. There are only two properties I'd consider helping to fund in such a way and that's B5 and Farscape either for TV/Film/Game. So maybe he'll reconsider at some point as fans really do want to feel like they can help resurrect a beloved property.

Tons of shows have done the character switch that he refers to. Farscape did it well. WB sure is a mess.
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It's in the "Echoes of all our conversations" interview books. Bill Mumy August 5th 1997:

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When I read that Lennier was toasted as one who had fallen [in Sleeping in Light], at first I tried to appeal that. I went to Joe and said, "Does he have to die?" and Joe said, "He dies in the great telepath war. He'll die like a hero, and it's way down the line; it's two movies down the line." I said, "Yeah, but he has to die?" and Joe said, "Yes, he's dying. He'll die like a hero and it will be great death, and it's after the fifth season" and blah blah blah.

That's Lennier's fate: he dies in the great telepath war somewhere down the line in the future.
Fair enough, that does seem to indicate that by the time of season four, the telepath war was not meant to be in the series, if it ever was. I do feel that is a shame, but never mind.
I don't claim to know Joe's mind, but I know a lot of writers, and I'm an amateur myself. Regardless of the original plan (Which was the 10-year B5/BP arc in this case), things slide around a lot. You paint yourself into a corner, or a better idea appears, or you get an unrelated moment of inspiration that changes the whole thing or - frequently - ugly, stupid reality kicks in.

In this case, I think it was ugly stupid reality. I honestly believe the Telepath arc was intended to be *INSIDE* B5 (or B5/BP) all along. Then we get into season 4, and it becomes increasingly obvious that they're not going to get a season 5. So JMS has to start brutally choosing what he's going to keep and what he simply doesn't have room for. For instance, remember how the middle part of S4 was set up to revolve around Clarke's four plans to subvert and retake the station? And then that was just dropped, and we switched to the war to retake earth? Yeah. Those *HAD* to be resolved. Stuff with the Drakh and Telepath hadn't really gotten going yet, so he dropped it.

When he DID get a 5th season, I suspect he tried to fill it in with leftover stuff, but for a variety of reasons it didn't work. I have theories on these reasons as well.
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If this new movie or series of movies violates what has gone on before, then I will be unhappy. Until we have more details let's not assume the worst.

I am still not entirely enamoured with the new Trek films, the whole "sweeping the board clean" approach is on some level quite disrespectful, especially when the movies themselves don't necessarily use that to tell fresh stories but only rehash old plots. But that's another discussion!

JMS is the one behind this production so I am sure no-one would be more interested in protecting what has gone on before than him.
Actually, JMS was the first one to suggest the whole "Wiping the Trek-slate clean" thing with paramount. Paramount rejected the idea out of hand.

I actually like the "Old characters, new destinies" idea, and didn't hate the 2nd one the way I figured it was. It was pitched as a remake (needless) of Wrath of Khan, but it really wasn't. If it was a remake of anything, it was "Space Seed."
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Rebooting it for a movie, though? This seems misguided. Compressing 110 hours of story into 6 hours of screen time told over the course of 6 years or so. I dunno, I read that and I feel something break inside me, and I think it might just be one revival attempt too far.
Where did you get the 6 hours of screen time over the course of 6 years or so? It's certainly nothing JMS has said in the past several years.

Why not just see what he does? And for those who're interested, I've transcribed the relevant portions of JMS' spotlight panel where he made the announcement.

http://jmsnews.com/forums/showpost.p...&postcount=129

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Realistically speaking, with the full force of a major studio behind it, it takes about three years to make a major effects picture. There's about 3 years between Bond films, Star Wars films, etc. Writing, preproduction, casting, production, editing, scoring, merchandising, it's involved. 3 years is about the average. You can step that up a bit as Warners did with Harry Potter, or New Line did with LOTR, but in both cases the studios nearly killed themselves.

So let's say B5: The Movie comes out in 2016. Realistically, you're not going to see B5:II: Armed and Fabulous until 2019, and B53: Electric Boogaloo until 2022. It's just the state of the industry. There's actually 9 years of production in there, but from an audience point of view, the clock starts with the first film, so it's 6 years to us.

As to the run time of movies? Standard length is 2 hours. Comedies generally run 90 minutes. Epics run 150 to 180 minutes, but studios and theaters don't like to do epics if they can avoid it (Apart from a brief trend some years back) because they can't show a movie as many times in a day, and hence don't make as much money off of it.

So my whole surmise was based on the more-or-less standard model of movie economics.
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