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Old April 25th 11, 19:02   #91
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I didn't say that you wanted B5 without aliens, just that a B5 universe story, even "The Telepath War," if it showed no aliens, it wouldn't feel like a B5 universe story. It'd feel forced, like the people with the money decreed "No aliens."
Ah.

Do you think that's very likely?
I think that the people with the money might try something like that, but JMS wouldn't go for it, and the result would be that nothing gets made. Personally, I'd be perfectly satisfied with a series of Crusade novels, and a series of novels about The Telepath War, but JMS is against that method of storytelling for Crusade and The Telepath War, and nobody is banging down Warner Brothers' doors to commission B5 novels of any kind, so we won't get that.


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I think the 'no aliens' thing is played out (Lost, BSG were successes, Firefly, FlashForward, and a dozen others were failures). It was a somewhat countercultural trend, but even during the phase when it was most prevalent you still had aliens galore in SF (Dr Who, Stargate, the Trek reboot, Avatar, any number of movies).
It was mainly in movies that science fiction with aliens was successful. On TV, it seems to be a harder sell. I'd leave out Doctor Who because that's considered more of a kid's show, and they're "allowed" to have aliens on their shows. Kids are kind of exempt.

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Punk was never as popular as Disco, sad as that may be. "No Aliens" was never as popular as "Aliens." Arguably the humanoid cylons from the RDM BSG were alien.
Cylons were either pure machine or a human/machine hybrid. That's not alien.


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Certainly they weren't human, though they were semi-compatable with us.
They were augmented humans.
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Old April 25th 11, 19:16   #92
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Thing is we need people like Ridley Scott to shut up. There's this persistent false notion that "science fiction is dead" that is in vogue at the moment that is being peddled by a lot of leading directors.

Scott has said that Science Fiction has "nothing new to say"(contradiction in terms) and that the genre finds itself very much where the Western was in the 1980's.
Maybe it's Ridley Scott who has nothing new to say.


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It's complete poo of course... but Scott is highly respected (even if his most recent project was a flop... a flop that if you believe some sources was transformed from a potentially good one by his insistence on a rewrite when coming on board).
It takes awhile for respect to atrophy; just look at Spielberg.

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What is important is quality writing and quality acting both of which on the whole are not a problem where B5 is concerned. The real trouble is that the studios have closed their ears as usual.
Ears and eyes closed.
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Old April 25th 11, 21:49   #93
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Re: More B5 on the way?

Personally, I would be happy with the story dictating whether there should be aliens or not. If a good writer wants/needs aliens, great. If a good writer doesn't want/need aliens, also great. The presence or absence of aliens doesn't (to me) determine the quality of a story one way or 'tother (though I recognise that some, shall we say, limited-minded people might find it hard to get past aliens with big hair, spots or a bone-structure on their heads, but I see that as their loss).
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I think that most of us would agree with that. The point is that the writer, or show creator, shouldn't be dictated to, and told that they can't have aliens.
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Maybe it's Ridley Scott who has nothing new to say.
I don't believe he's ever written a script.
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Thing is we need people like Ridley Scott to shut up. There's this persistent false notion that "science fiction is dead" that is in vogue at the moment that is being peddled by a lot of leading directors.

Scott has said that Science Fiction has "nothing new to say"(contradiction in terms) and that the genre finds itself very much where the Western was in the 1980's.
Maybe he changed his mind....

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Re: More B5 on the way?

Think he's right in a way. How many crap sci-fi flicks have there been lately? How many rehashes of old stuff - like BSG & V? It needs something new to re-introduce our audience to sci-fi. Something a little different to the dross of late.
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Think he's right in a way. How many crap sci-fi flicks have there been lately? How many rehashes of old stuff - like BSG & V? It needs something new to re-introduce our audience to sci-fi. Something a little different to the dross of late.
You could say that about 90% of the stuff that comes out of Hollywood these days. Not just sci-fi. Although, I am a little concerned at the current state of the genre on the small screen.
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Maybe it's Ridley Scott who has nothing new to say.
I don't believe he's ever written a script.
Directors certainly influence the final result that comes out, the film. Their personal stamp, their emphasis, is on the film.
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Thing is we need people like Ridley Scott to shut up. There's this persistent false notion that "science fiction is dead" that is in vogue at the moment that is being peddled by a lot of leading directors.

Scott has said that Science Fiction has "nothing new to say"(contradiction in terms) and that the genre finds itself very much where the Western was in the 1980's.

It's complete poo of course... but Scott is highly respected (even if his most recent project was a flop... a flop that if you believe some sources was transformed from a potentially good one by his insistence on a rewrite when coming on board).

What is important is quality writing and quality acting both of which on the whole are not a problem where B5 is concerned. The real trouble is that the studios have closed their ears as usual.
What was Ridley's latest flop?

Ridley Scott is a great, intuitive director, and he cranked out two of the all-time great modern SF films. He fiddles a lot with the scripts, but that's part of his process. I don't think you can compare an artist like him to a clearly-insane idiot like Jon Peters who just screws around with stuff because he can.

The comparison to westerns in the 80s is both apt and inapt. There's a lot more SF at present than there were westerns in the 80s http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...s_of_the_1980s however most of it is pretty lowbrow. Of course most westerns were always pretty lowbrow as well. On the apt side, there's definitely a transition period going on here. In the 80s, westerns survived more as TV movies than anything else, and now SF appears to only be surviving on TV, despite (In both cases) the medium they're leaving being a better home for 'em.

A lot of this is fashion, a lot of it is, I think, public apathy, a lot of it is simply no one quite knowing where to go next. A lot of SF was driven by spectacle, but thanks to CGI, spectacle is rather hum-drum.
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