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Old August 7th 07, 18:56   #21
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As far as I'm concerned, "Believers" was the worst episode.
Believers is one of the best non-arc episodes for me.
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Old August 7th 07, 18:58   #22
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I agree with you. This ep held absolutely NO surprises for me. 100% predictable, which I can't say about any other ep. Unlike Jan, I was saddly aware of this sort of "journalism" long before I saw the ep.
Exactly...it made its point in the first minute of the broadcast...we didn't have to see ALL of the propaganda...oh well, just finished Atonement and loved it.
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Exactly...it made its point in the first minute of the broadcast...we didn't have to see ALL of the propaganda...oh well, just finished Atonement and loved it.
That's just it, though. From the start B5 has shown us the whole process of how and why things happen as they do and the manipulation of the media was a big part of that process.

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Yes, when the episode begins, we know what's going to happen with the broadcast.

That is the whole point

And really all we knew is that they'd screw over B5. But did you all actually predict that they'd come up with that whole genetic hybrid conspiracy theory?
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It wasn't so much that we as the viewers knew that they'd twist it all beyond belief .. it's that Sheridan didn't. That he thought there was some hope for a "fair" story there. That just didn't make sense to me.

Aside from that though, I could actually enjoy it, seeing the twisting in action. And I guess one could say that Sheridan just assumed they had nothing to lose.
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The part I liked in Illusion of Truth was Lennier head-butting the flying videocam.
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Who could forget that?


(Me, apparently. That was a fantastic moment that somehow slipped my mind...)
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It wasn't so much that we as the viewers knew that they'd twist it all beyond belief .. it's that Sheridan didn't. That he thought there was some hope for a "fair" story there. That just didn't make sense to me.
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And I guess one could say that Sheridan just assumed they had nothing to lose.
No, I think Sheridan just didn't think they'd twist it completely beyond belief. He didn't think it'd be THAT bad.


BTW, further B5 Universe "worsts":
Worst B5 Universe Movie: "To Live and Die in Starlight" (B5:LotR pilot).
Worst B5 Novel: "Clark's Law" / "The Touch of Your Shadow, the Whisper of Your Name" (tie)
Worst Novelization: "A Call to Arms"


Bests? ....
Best TV Episode: Impossible to pick, because there are so many that are A++++.
Best TV Movie: "In the Beginning" / "A Call to Arms" (tie)
Best Novel: Centauri trilogy / Technomage trilogy (tie)
Best Novelization: "In the Beginning"
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Worst B5 Novel: "Clark's Law" / "The Touch of Your Shadow, the Whisper of Your Name" (tie)

How can worst B5 novel be anything but "Personal Agendas"?
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How can worst B5 novel be anything but "Personal Agendas"?
"Personal Agendas" was short and harmless. People make too much of a deal about the humor in it.

OTOH, "Clark's Law" and "The Touch of Your Shadow, the Whisper of Your Name" are like inoperable, malignant tumors that cause a long, painful death.
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