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Old October 28th 07, 11:51   #31
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as an aside, anyone know why Kosh took an immediate interest in Sheridan in series 2?
Well, he was the new commander of B5... and a third of the One mentioned in Minbari prophecy. That's also why Kosh goes out of his way to save Sheridan's life in the S2 finale.

But: I agree that it's a bit awkward. I always wondered when the prophecy concerning the One who is three was made. If Valen is its source, it's strange because he cannot know that Sheridan is the One who will be - he returns to the past before even Delenn becomes Entil'Zha. I've also always nitpicked the fact that while Valen is the One who was (1000 years in the past), the two other Ones are actually making crucial decisions that justify that honorific title at the same time, and the One who will be just takes over the title after everything is done. I've never liked the One who is three very much.
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Old October 29th 07, 10:46   #32
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As an aside, anyone know why Kosh took an immediate interest in Sheridan in series 2? Or was he just putting it altogether after immediately realising who Sinclair was? I.e. If Sinclair is Valen, then Sheridan must be the other third of 'the one' given his current position, or was there some other greater knowledge to it?
Sinclair may have told him all about Sheridan 1,000 years ago.

Heaven knows he left enough notes lying around for other people... and the vorlons reaction to Sinclair's attempt to leak information that would prevent the Earth Minbari War in "In Valen's Name"... would suggest that they were aware either through telepathic examination, or Kosh breaking a piece off of himself, or through briefings with Sinclair... about what would happen in the future.

I'm going with Kosh floating around inside Sinclair and touching hios mind, it makes sense... and having seen sinclair's memories... he would recognise Sheridan from them. It also helps explain Kosh's foreknowledge of his own death. As he dies just prior to WWE
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Old October 30th 07, 19:08   #33
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I'm going with Kosh floating around inside Sinclair and touching hios mind, it makes sense... and having seen sinclair's memories... he would recognise Sheridan from them. It also helps explain Kosh's foreknowledge of his own death. As he dies just prior to WWE

Holy shit. That's heavy. Makes perfect sense too.
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Old October 30th 07, 21:11   #34
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Sinclair may have told him all about Sheridan 1,000 years ago.

Heaven knows he left enough notes lying around for other people... and the vorlons reaction to Sinclair's attempt to leak information that would prevent the Earth Minbari War in "In Valen's Name"... would suggest that they were aware either through telepathic examination, or Kosh breaking a piece off of himself, or through briefings with Sinclair... about what would happen in the future.

I'm going with Kosh floating around inside Sinclair and touching hios mind, it makes sense... and having seen sinclair's memories... he would recognise Sheridan from them. It also helps explain Kosh's foreknowledge of his own death. As he dies just prior to WWE
There's also Zathras who we know told Sinclair that Sheridan was the one who will be just before he went back into the past...

What if Kosh had simply met Valen before? Valen knew the Vorlons well. Afterall Kosh was obviously very old and old enough to have met Lorien presumably at Z'Ha'Dum during an inter-war period.

There are plenty of opportunities for Kosh to know a lot about Sheridan from Valen I guess.

btw, having now just watched all of series 5 for only the 2nd time, I'm going to go back on my whole 'Sheridan evolved' to 'Sheridan was collected [by Lorien]' at the end of SiL. In the audio commentary JMS points out that Valen disappeared without a trace too - something I forgot - and it's from what JMS has told us, it's pretty clear Valen didn't meet Lorien or his kind - saying he did would be speculation at best. JMS also makes it clear that Valen would return and so perhaps Sheridan one day, and of course, you can't be dead if that is so! So I kinda agree with Jade Jaguar that Lorien came back to collect Sheridan, but in what way is more interesting. Absorbed? Looked-after in some way? Seems to hint very much that Lorien is [a form of] god, as much as an atheist could.
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Old October 31st 07, 01:07   #35
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Afterall Kosh was obviously very old and old enough to have met Lorien presumably at Z'Ha'Dum during an inter-war period.
Or perhaps in a pre-war period, when the Vorlons and the Shadows were not yet antagonistic, or as competitive.


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So I kinda agree with Jade Jaguar that Lorien came back to collect Sheridan, but in what way is more interesting. Absorbed? Looked-after in some way?
IMO, Lorien provided the energy for Sheridan's separate consciousness to continue to exist, within Lorien, and without the body neither could sustain any longer. You might say Lorien allowed Sheridan to leech off of him... So, not really absorbed, which implies a loss of individuality.
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