B5TV.COM. Babylon 5 forums Babylon 5 message for the fans from Claudia Christian Babylon 5

Go Back   B5TV.COM > Classic: Babylon 5, Crusade and Rangers > B5.world

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Old June 3rd 02, 12:16   #1
2aMageing
Soul Hunter
 
2aMageing's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2002
Location: WA state - USA
Posts: 11,534
2nd viewing of Rangers, I have ALL THE ANSWERS....

But it is 4:30 am here where I live an my insomnia only lasts so long, so I'll post the answers either tommorow or the next day, once I sleep and go back through the tape to note the KEY phrases that will be turned to unlock ALL THE SECRETS of the as yet undeveloped Rangers universe. [img]/ubbthreads/images/icons/grin.gif[/img]

Or at least I'll provide y'all with some entertainment......[img]/ubbthreads/images/icons/rolleyes.gif[/img]
2aMageing is offline   Reply With Quote
Old June 5th 02, 06:06   #2
2aMageing
Soul Hunter
 
2aMageing's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2002
Location: WA state - USA
Posts: 11,534
Re: 2nd viewing of Rangers, I have ALL THE ANSWERS

Ok,HERE WE GO.

I posted a theory a while back that David Martel was related to a certain MAJOR person from the B5 series. I now have good evidence to back my claim (and anyone who says it is not possible due to time line considerations, needs to apply as much doubt to their calculations as they would to my theory....)

David (also the known name of Sheridan's son) is talking to Sarah Cantrel saying that joining the rangers was
"my dream ever since my folks died"....would seem to counter my theory since GKar is in contact with Sheridan as stated later, but has anyone seen Star Wars? How did Luke end with Uncle Owen and Aunt Peru???

David also said that he got "shuttled around alot" and this will fit when I give me theory in detail later.....
(Also, at the end of David's conversation with Sarah, after he leaves, the camera pans to the background to see a sneaky Gkar listening with interest (perhaps keeping an eye on David for a close friend???)

Gkar enters the council meeting to decide David's fate, and when talking about David and how his friends are coming to his defense "very who can foster that kind of loyalty, one comes to mind, stubborn, difficult, annoying,....independant, and willful"

he is asked by a Minbari who this person is that he is comparing DAVID to.....
Gkar says "he became the president of this very allience"
followd by "with whom I just spoke with a few moments ago" about this and the other matter, why is Gkar reporting about some kid named DAVID to Sheridan, hmmmmmm??
Gkar supposedly told the council "4 true things" to convince the council to keep David in the Rangers, wouldn't telling them in confidence that David was the son of the Great Sheridan go along ways to convince them (and no Sheridan could not order it with out exposing their connection and abusing his position of power)....

For what it may add, Gkar then tells David that "what I said was of no consequence, at least <font color=yellow>not yet</font color=yellow> "Just don't prove me wrong." about a son of Sheridan ending up be a great ranger???? Very possibly.

After Gkar and David are through talking, the camera sits on the scen of the two of them for a number of seconds longer......long enough to show Gkar watching David out of the corner of his eye (dare I say with custodial approval, watch and judge for yourself)

All this happens in the first 1/4 of the movie, most of the revealing dialog, not to mention David's statement when taking command of the liandra about where he came from "No where in particular" and how each persons staements in that scene would seem to be setup for who they are later in the "series". Most of the first quarter of the movie is dialog and is spent developing most of the main characters, and very little else is Clearly Provided about David, but these and a few other hints, so how come most of these hints and gestures (mostly be Gkar, connected to Sheridan by his own admisson) seem to fit together in this way......


Facts: Sheridan had/has a son named DAVID
His son was/is in the rangers (according to B5)

Here is DAVID Martel
He is in the rangers (second coincidence??)
He is compared DIRECTLY to Sheridan by Gkar
Gkar is a close friend of Sheridan
Gkar intervenes to help this Ranger on trial, whom he has never met before
Gkar spoke to Sheridan about this "stranger", DAVID Martel, as well as about the new race recently discovered(How did this stranger Martel get equal time with this dangerous?, Hostile?, Aggresive?? new enemy in his conversation with Sheridan?????
Now ask this question.
If you were the President of the newly formed Interstellar Allience, a HUGE target (as well as all family) of enemies, a person considered to be "part myth", what could you do for your son to protect him from danger and the trouble and fame of being a Sheridan???

How about a foster family that could give him a new name, a fresh chance to choose his own life?

And who of your allies would you send to take care and look after him? A close friend considered by many to have good wisdom, perhaps?

When two lines meet, we can say "ah, an interesting coincidence", but when 4 or 5 lines meet, in a JMS writen Introduction to a Character, do we say the same thing"ah, what an interesting coincidence"?? I would not. JMS needed a thread to connect one series to the other, and knew he had laid the ground work for son of Sheridan (a major player in the future, most likely) as a ranger, than Lo and Behold a series based on the Rangers......
Some may not care, but for me such a possibility is a major shift in how the Rangers movie looks and feels, not to mention adding a future to a previously unseen character from the B5 series.

Ok, so I don't have ALL the answers [img]/ubbthreads/images/icons/grin.gif[/img] , but there are alot more clues to truths in that movie than have been discussed. For my second installment I will address the Hand and the discussion about their "possible" connection to "Third Space". And I can promise you more evidence straight from the movie's mouth, so tune in later this week, same B5 time, same B5 channel. Good night. [img]/ubbthreads/images/icons/laugh.gif[/img] [img]/ubbthreads/images/icons/laugh.gif[/img] [img]/ubbthreads/images/icons/grin.gif[/img] [img]/ubbthreads/images/icons/grin.gif[/img] [img]/ubbthreads/images/icons/rolleyes.gif[/img]
2aMageing is offline   Reply With Quote
Old June 5th 02, 06:22   #3
**DONOTDELETE**
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Re: 2nd viewing of Rangers, I have ALL THE ANSWERS....

You can rationalize that theory as much as you want, but I won't buy a word of it until you can come up with a decent explanation of how a 12 year old quarter Minbari boy can be David Martel, a 25ish year old full human? It just doesn't make any sense in any definition of the word. Plus I don't know the exact quote, but in Sleeping in Light David is mentioned as being missed because he was off training to be a ranger. This not only indicates that he wasn't given to a foster family, but that he also didn't begin his training until like 8-10 years after Legend of the Rangers takes place. Now my dating my be off a year or two here and there, but it still proves that the David Sheridan is David Martel theory is absolutely impossible. Despite how cool is definetly would be.
  Reply With Quote
Old June 5th 02, 06:23   #4
**DONOTDELETE**
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Re: 2nd viewing of Rangers, I have ALL THE ANSWERS....

You can rationalize that theory as much as you want, but I won't buy a word of it until you can come up with a decent explanation of how a 12 year old quarter Minbari boy can be David Martel, a 25ish year old full human? It just doesn't make any sense in any definition of the word. Plus I don't know the exact quote, but in Sleeping in Light David is mentioned as being missed because he was off training to be a ranger. This not only indicates that he wasn't given to a foster family, but that he also didn't begin his training until like 8-10 years after Legend of the Rangers takes place. Now my dating my be off a year or two here and there, but it still proves that the David Sheridan is David Martel theory is absolutely impossible. Despite how cool is definetly would be.
  Reply With Quote
Old June 5th 02, 07:34   #5
2aMageing
Soul Hunter
 
2aMageing's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2002
Location: WA state - USA
Posts: 11,534
Re: 2nd viewing of Rangers, I have ALL THE ANSWERS

Ah, a spirited debate, good show.

I have to ask, WHY did JMS choose to name his Main Character DAVID?? Is he becoming uncreative? Probably just a coincidence......about a JMS written piece, I don't think so. A thousand and one names to choose from and he names his primary after a previous (and as yet unseen) character. I can't get past that, and I am willing to bet there is a hole in the timeline someplace that is not being seen. I will consider the timing, but ya'll should consider the suspicious use of the name. Not just ignore it, since it does not fit your concept of progression; if there is good reason to consider this possibility, and I suggest there are multiple, than it should not be dismissed out of hand, out of dogma, or for any particular paradigm.
2aMageing is offline   Reply With Quote
Old June 5th 02, 08:19   #6
raven2032
First One
 
Join Date: Apr 2001
Location: North Carolina, USA
Posts: 175
Re: 2nd viewing of Rangers, I have ALL THE ANSWERS....

Your theory is an interesting one, but as Galen's Staff points out there is some very definite evidence against it. I had thought about two characters being named David right from the start but I suspect JMS had something a little different in mind. But your theory is very well thought, I look forward to reading your ideas about The Hand.
raven2032 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old June 5th 02, 13:31   #7
StarForBram
First One
 
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Western Springs, IL, USA
Posts: 351
Re: 2nd viewing of Rangers, I have ALL THE ANSWERS

Fascinating theory. Wouldn't surprise me at all to find out you are on to something. The presence of G'Kar in this movie confused me the first time I watched it. He seemed to serve no purpose other than to give the show an established star. But viewed within the context of your theory his presence suddenly becomes relevant. Hmmm.....
StarForBram is offline   Reply With Quote
Old June 5th 02, 13:40   #8
Kribu
Administrator
 
Kribu's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2001
Location: Tallinn, Estonia
Posts: 13,775
Re: 2nd viewing of Rangers, I have ALL THE ANSWERS

The movie takes place in around 2264/2265. Young David Sheridan would be around 3 years old at the time.

G'Kar died (WWE, the Centauri trilogy) in 2278 when David was about 17 or 18.
Kribu is offline   Reply With Quote
Old June 5th 02, 14:10   #9
channe
First One
 
Join Date: May 2001
Posts: 4,462
Re: 2nd viewing of Rangers, I have ALL THE ANSWERS

There *has* to be a...

EUREKA!

Damn, I'm good.

*grins a bit*
channe is offline   Reply With Quote
Old June 5th 02, 14:17   #10
Recoil
First One
 
Recoil's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2001
Location: Chicago, IL
Posts: 8,016
Re: 2nd viewing of Rangers, I have ALL THE ANSWERS

Yea dude, the timing/age thing just doesnt work out. David Sheridan is playing with coloring books when this movie takes place. He's like 3 or 4 at the time.
Recoil is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT. The time now is 16:39.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.5
Copyright ©2000 - 2023, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
2001 - 2018 B5TV.COM