Vorlons

Kribu · April 30th 01, 13:00

OK, this is something I've been wondering about (well, I haven't actually spent any sleepless nights pondering that question, but still...).

The Vorlons: were there actually male and female Vorlons or were they all the same? Both Kosh and Ulkesh *sounded* and *seemed* male but that could have been just the suit and the thing via which they spoke.

And while I'm at it: the Vorlons were all rather old, right? What happened, weren't there any Vorlon babies born anymore after some time (when they achieved either a certain number or a certain level of development) or what?

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April 30th 01, 13:33

As far as I remember the Vorlons do reproduce somehow... I remember Kosh saying (to Sheridan?) that the Vorlons are not ready - it's not their time and there's still too few of them.

Maybe they multiply by placing pieces of themselves into other beings?

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LondosHair · April 30th 01, 14:29

If memory serves, when Sheridan first met Lorien, they spoke of Kosh. Lorien said "I think I met it once," referring to Kosh as "it." That can either confuse or clarify this issue, I'm just not sure which. <g>

A further comment from JMS on the Lurker's Guide (under "Whatever Happened to Mr. Garibaldi?" states:
"Female is an irrelevant concept to the vorlons ... I think Lorien is beyond concepts of male and female as they pertain to the Vorlons...that's our perception of them, not his."

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SamGadsby · April 30th 01, 18:17

kribu, we never saw a Vorlon home, or homeworld. We don't even now the color of their planet. No war ship has a sign in the window reading "Baby on board." And B5 only had Vorlon ambassadors.

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Entil`Zha · April 30th 01, 20:08

The Vorlons, being Energy based lifeforms (I think), can maybe reproduce by dividing that energy and using another Vorlon's energy to create a new one, or maybe they divide like the atoms do when they "collide"? Anyway, I'm not sure if immortal species can reproduce, any thought?

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April 30th 01, 20:17

But are the Vorlons immortal, or do they just live for an INCREDIBLY long time? I think I remember one character (Lorien?) saying that it'd been a long time since any of the Vorlons had died, and that's why they took Kosh's death so badly. Does this mean it had been a long time since any Vorlons were killed (i.e. in the last Shadow War) or since any had died naturally?

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Entil`Zha · April 30th 01, 20:37

No one knows for sure, maybe the last Vorlon died in the previous Shadow War... I don't think we will ever know. But one thing I'd like to see is a ship from the Alliance going to the Vorlon Homeworld and coming back to tell about it!

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Kribu · April 30th 01, 21:02

Yeah, that would be cool...

I wonder if anyone even attempted approaching the Vorlon homeworld after they left? Or would everyone have been too afraid (of traps etc)? (I suppose this would have to be pure speculation, though...)

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, arial">quote:</font><HR>We don't even now the color of their planet. No war ship has a sign in the window reading "Baby on board." <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I know that, SamGadsby. I just seemed to recall from somewhere (Lurker's Guide? it was ages ago, so I don't remember for sure) that "all the Vorlons" were supposedly rather old - not just an old race, but all the members of the race were old.

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Cleron · April 30th 01, 21:03

all the "Frist Ones" live forever.... They CAN die but not from age or dezieses...

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drakh · April 30th 01, 22:03

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Entil`Zha:
The Vorlons, being Energy based lifeforms (I think)<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>They're at least partly physical (silicone based according to jms).