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View Poll Results: A Race Through Dark Places
A -- Excellent 9 18.37%
B -- Good 19 38.78%
C -- Average 19 38.78%
D -- Poor 1 2.04%
F -- Failure 1 2.04%
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Old June 7th 05, 17:07   #31
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Re: EpDis: GROPOS

Not one of my favorites either. Really nothing in it to get excited about. The ending is very moving.
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Old June 7th 05, 17:07   #32
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The big black guy that crashed with Keffer: cool or annoying?
He's okay, but I'm leaning toward annoying.
I lean toward annoying too.
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Old June 7th 05, 17:25   #33
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As a one-shot he was OK.

If he had been around for an ongoing period, he would have quickly become annoying (if they didn't flesh him out more).
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Old June 7th 05, 17:35   #34
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I thought he was annoying, but, I can understand how his close friends could really come to love him.
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Old June 7th 05, 19:08   #35
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I thought he was annoying, but, I can understand how his close friends could really come to love him.
He's probably great to have with you during a fight.



I'm not saying the ending is unrealistic, just that it's heavy-handed. Oh look, all those colorful characters we met are dead now because of the futiliy of war.
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Old June 7th 05, 19:19   #36
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Very true.
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Old June 8th 05, 04:57   #37
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What I liked most about this EP, was that war, instead of being portrayed as brave and glorious, was portrayed as ill-conceived, brutal, and deadly.

I also liked the Garibaldi-Dodger thing for its interesting role reversal. It's usually the guy going off to war, not knowing if he will ever make it back, who expects sex from a woman, due to his situation. And, in the movies, he usually gets it, even in WWII era films! This was a total reversal. I think Garibaldi was a jerk to wimp out as he did, under the circumstances. Dodger was right - it was supposed to be uncomplicated, and not a continuing relationship, so Mr. G's baggage had no place there.
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Old June 24th 05, 00:40   #38
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Depth wasn't what JMS was going for in this one, I think.
It's not a JMS episode .. which probably explains why we all like it less than any random other given episode

I agree .. *everyone* dying was a bit too .. over-the-top predictable drama. Yes, it's war, yes, lots of people die .. but .. everyone really? Except for the general .. who would be in the safest position anyways I suppose.

As for the complete non-relevance of the war .. reminds me a bit of the times there have been US military strikes on the news outside of reported conflicts that just seemed so .. random. Though this was a bit .. big for random, yes.

And I guess I'm the only one for whom the Franklin's dad thingy just got a bit too .. clichee in the end. Oh well
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As for the complete non-relevance of the war .. reminds me a bit of the times there have been US military strikes on the news outside of reported conflicts that just seemed so .. random. Though this was a bit .. big for random, yes.
I rewatched this episode recently, I having read of others mentioning how irrelevant it was to other things, I was actually surprised to find that there are a few lines in the episode that make it relevant (though not super-relevant; it was connected, I guess you could say).

General Franklin tells Sheridan that the world that he's taking the GROPOS to help squash a rebellion at is in a strategic position. In helping the government of that planet put down the rebellion, Earth is going to get the right to establish a military presence there. And that that planet is quite near both Narn and Centauri space. So should the Centauri-Narn War get to a point that Earth would have to full-on take part of, that planet would be a serious base for Earth's forces.
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Old October 14th 05, 23:06   #40
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Having watched this episode recently on my DVD here's a response. I thought there were some great dialog moments, such as the scenes in LT Keffer’s room, General Franklin’s put down of Garibaldi, and the reconciliation between younger and elder Franklins. But, being an Army veteran there were some glaring glitches. When Sheridan, Garibaldi and Ivanova report to the initial briefing and General Franklin orders “at ease” Sheridan and Ivanova assume the proper position, but Garibaldi puts his hands in his pockets, a definite no-no. (If a Soldier stands around with his hands in his pockets, he might suffer a rude joke.) After departing the briefing from General Franklin, Sheridan, Garibaldi and Ivanova carry on a veiled conversation about it in the hall with subordinates present. I can assure you that no top secret information would be discussed in any fashion in the hearing of anyone that did not possess the same level of clearance.

Another matter was that I noticed that everyone properly addressed the GROPOS Command Sergeant Major as “Sergeant Major,” except for Ivanova. She committed the faux pax of calling him “Sergeant.” Under normal circumstances the Sergeant Major would probably have reported the matter to the General and she would have received a private counseling about showing the respect due the division’s senior non-commissioned officer. The military takes respect of every rank very seriously. (Actually a real Commander would know better.)

In terms of the operation on Akdor, JMS, writing the episode in 1995, seems to have conceived the tactical assault with Viet Nam in mind rather than the modern strategy employed in the first Gulf War, which occurred in 1990-1991. Where was the air support that could have taken out the mine fields and leveled the fortress with bunker busting bombs? Why didn’t the EA Division level the fortress with rockets from ground artillery? Why not level the fortress with missiles from the Destroyer in orbit? Why not use a tactical nuke on the fortress? But, if you actually wanted to preserve the fortress there is such a thing as a neutron weapon that kills without destroying the infrastructure or even chemical weapons. And, what was the point of a helicopter assault as was commonly used in Viet Nam? Today helicopters are not flown close enough to an objective to receive direct fire from the enemy. The infantry makes far more use of light armored vehicles to take them to an objective. I would expect that military tactics, weaponry and equipment would get more sophisticated two hundred years from now, not be inferior to current capabilities. (JMS must not have had a military advisor on this episode.) This aspect of GROPOS was disappointing!

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