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Old August 23rd 06, 12:48   #51
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sory about being abusive none was intended and as hypatia said this is proving to be interesting
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Old August 23rd 06, 16:04   #52
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thanks elric those images will help loads
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Old August 23rd 06, 16:28   #53
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...fan websites using images from the show were okay *as long as* they had all the appropriate copyright information on them.
That's not too different from any of the fanfiction that I've read, which usually opens with a generic disclaimer along the lines of: "I don't own these characters; I'm just writing this for fun."
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Old August 23rd 06, 17:51   #54
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Yes, but there's a BIG difference between posting a disclaimer of your own invention, and actually getting permission to use the characters and situations from the show (or even tacit permission, which is apparently what happened during the run of B5 for fan websites). Some people (not saying it's you, vacantlook) think that posting a copyright notice for the copyright owner, and disclaiming any personal ownership on their part, makes it okay. It doesn't.
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Old August 24th 06, 00:17   #55
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Some people think it's okay to start with, and disclaimers mere politeness.
Others disagree.

The best insulator between them, to avoid nasty social short-circuits is obviously technology. If they're outside each other's reach, neither can get burnt.
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Except that you're postulating that the person doing the infringing be the one out of reach, puzzle. That still leaves the copyright owner vulnerable to being sued by the infringor for 'stealing' an idea or story. What's their protection via technology, pray tell?

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Old August 24th 06, 01:26   #57
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that totaly confused me i think i may back out of this thread for now
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Old August 24th 06, 01:33   #58
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Would these copyright laws also mean that anybody using a B5 picture as an avatar is in fact in breach of copyright?Or the quotes that some people use as a signiture?Just a thought.
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Except that you're postulating that the person doing the infringing be the one out of reach, puzzle. That still leaves the copyright owner vulnerable to being sued by the infringor for 'stealing' an idea or story.
I do think you're stretching it. It's a stretch to assume that someone who isn't the author and seeks profit from their work (or legal entitlement to it) could manage that anonymously.

Profit requires moving money, and legal entitlement seems to require moving lawyers. I haven't heard of a technology enabling a person to move either without exposing themselves to retaliation in a thousand and one ways.

I know of effective technologies to protect movers of information from being targeted. Physical goods and projection of power are a lot harder to conceal.

Regardless, a good solution against what you suggest would be abolishing copyright law so they can't sue you, and telling people who use your work "please send donations for this work to my account only". I bet that people who'd prefer paying would like to pay the original author(s).

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What's their protection via technology, pray tell?
A nice technology for those who want to publish for money should be digital signatures and timestamps. Before handing your work out of your control, have an independent timestamping service digitally sign it.

Perhaps combine this with digitally co-signing the timestamped copy with multiple trusted persons (or use a notary if you insist on official channels, ink, rubber and paper).

That should give you adequate proof if a consumer of your work doubts whom they should pay, or someone claims they own what you made, or you feel pressing need to demand compensation from a person unjustly profiting from your work.

Those who don't profit however, can and probably will keep using your work in countless violations of modern copyright law, since multiple aspects of copyright law simply contradict how the world functions.
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Would these copyright laws also mean that anybody using a B5 picture as an avatar is in fact in breach of copyright?
No, that's a breach of trademark. Trademark protects images, slogans, logos, things like that. And yes, avatars using images from trademarked properties without permission are technically infringements of trademark. But no one's going to pursue you for that. No one who owns a trademark even really knows about that.

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Or the quotes that some people use as a signiture?Just a thought.
The quotes being use are infringements of copyright, but again, no one is going to pursue you for that. It is similar to (but not exactly the same as) "fair use" in that the quote is being used as commentary.

The point is, no copyright owner - not even big, bad Warner Bros. - has the staff or the time or the resources to poke around the internet and find and pursue every person who is using a sig quote, an avatar, writing fanfic, etc. etc.
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