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Old September 23rd 07, 21:24   #1
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Why Is Earthforce Still Using Star Furies?

We know that Earthforce was using the Furies in the Earth/Minbari War.

But now, in the new DVD movie they are still using Furies. In fact, they seem to be considered top of the line. Otherwise the Centauri prince probably wouldn't be that impressed by them.

That is 25 years of use for one basic design.

Doesn't that seem kind of odd?

Sure, the U.S. uses 40 year old designs still in our Air Force.

But one reason for that is we haven't fought a war against a nation with a modern air force in that time.

Earth on the other hand has fought a whole series of conflicts with other races (and themselves) that had equal or superior fighters and technology.

Does it make sense that Earth would stick with Star Furies all that time?
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Old September 24th 07, 00:23   #2
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Re: Why Is Earthforce Still Using Star Furies?

I like starfuries if for nothing but the fact that they look cool. They look realistic like they were designed for space, not like they're aircraft in space as most space-fi fightercraft look.
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Old September 24th 07, 01:37   #3
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Re: Why Is Earthforce Still Using Star Furies?

Good designs can last. The motors, weapons and avionics could have been upgraded over the years.
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Old September 24th 07, 01:53   #4
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Re: Why Is Earthforce Still Using Star Furies?

Well, we did see the Thunderbolts in Season 3. I expect the main thing is, the StarFuries have gone through many iterations, but as they all look the same, due to the same basic design -- which NASA is on record as saying looks highly effective. So EarthForce hit on a good thing, and while upgrades have come along, why mess with success?

A bigger question is why, ten years after they failed miserably, EarthForce is still using the same sensor packages they had in the Earth-Minbari War.
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Old September 24th 07, 03:06   #5
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Re: Why Is Earthforce Still Using Star Furies?

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A bigger question is why, ten years after they failed miserably, EarthForce is still using the same sensor packages they had in the Earth-Minbari War.
Because they don't have good sense?
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Re: Why Is Earthforce Still Using Star Furies?

There have been upgrades, even during the five-year story arc. I think the zeta squadron had better Starfuries than the others, and certainly Bester's black starfury was a different beast compared to the standard issue.

NASA is on record for saying they might build something that looks like a Starfury if fighters in space ever become necessary. JMS said that's fine, if they call the machines of similar design Starfury.
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Re: Why Is Earthforce Still Using Star Furies?

I suppose eventually, they may want to work in the kind of efficiencies a Minbari Nial fighter has... and that might become a possibility through the use of shared technology. However Earth may be limited on that due to things like reactor size and engine efficiency.
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Old September 24th 07, 08:26   #8
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Re: Why Is Earthforce Still Using Star Furies?

You can see the upgrades in TLT. The Furies in that have new avionics, new cockpits and controls. This is quite common in the military now. There is also a big precedent for this in sci-fi, with the ships in Star Trek.
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Re: Why Is Earthforce Still Using Star Furies?

If the basic design is sound and fulfills its function, there is less reason to completely re-design a space vehicle than a fighter aeroplane (many of which remain in service for 25 years +). One of the major ways in which aircraft design has changed and improved in the last 50 years is in aerodynamics ... clearly and irrelevant concern where space-only vehicles is concerned.

You also have the fact that B5 has presumably become a much less important military outpost during the 10 years since Objects At Rest, with the ISA being based on Minbar, so why would they have the most up to date, state of the art fighting machines when their fleet of starfuries is more than up to the task of defending it?
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A bigger question is why, ten years after they failed miserably, EarthForce is still using the same sensor packages they had in the Earth-Minbari War.
In "Endgame" (episode 420) the Agamemnon has just been fitted with new sensors. So the simple answer is it took 15 years to develop sensors that can lock onto Minbari ships.

Those time scales are not too different from the current development time scales for radar and other military equipment.
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