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Old March 8th 09, 05:19   #161
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Re: New Joss Whedon show

Well, I finally saw the first ep, so I've seen them all now. Perhaps because I saw them out of order, it is pretty clear to me that Caroline, aka Echo, is a plant, put there to spy on the Dollhouse. I don't think she has full conscious retention of her various assumed personalities, but I think she is retaining them on a deeper level, so that she can be debriefed by those who planted her there. I am assuming that they built this trait into her.
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Old March 8th 09, 05:45   #162
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Very interesting theory, JJ, although I'd like to hear more of your reasoning.

I found the pilot episode quite gripping and the other two... slightly less so... but this one had me quite happy indeed. I think "Taffy's" team was what did it -- I liked the guy who knew art, and was walking Echo through it, despite having been stabbed.

I'm looking forward to seeing Alpha -- especially as I accidentally stumbled on a spoiler and I know who's playing him.
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Old March 8th 09, 06:10   #163
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Re: New Joss Whedon show

Before the tech guy mentioned it, I told my friend Bill, a Wheadon fan watching with me, that Alpha was still alive, and had done the remote wipe.

I don't have any real evidence about Caroline being a plant. It was partly her attitude, and the circumstances of her induction. Also, we found out from the FBI guy that there are some powerful higher-ups behind his investigation, so it stands to reason that others would be investigating as well, if not for those "higher-ups," then for others...

I think it possible that Sierra is a plant too. Or, Echo may be (programmed) to recruit her, and alter her, to help Echo and her investigation.
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Old March 8th 09, 06:13   #164
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Re: New Joss Whedon show

BTW, the Elgin Marbles, the McGuffin in the EP would be too big and heavy for one guy to carry. I looked it up. They average about 3' x 5'. I liked the art guy too.
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Old March 8th 09, 15:19   #165
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There was a lot of back-and-forth over at Whedonesque over whether or not the piece was too small. Eventual consensus is that it might well have worked (although the panel they had the drawing of is actually in the British Museum). You're completely right about the weight, though. Somehow all us nerds missed the sheer mass issue.
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Old March 9th 09, 16:44   #166
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So, does anyone else think naked TV watching dude is Alpha?

I thought it was obvious, but, I'm wondering if it's too obvious, therefore it's a bad assumption?
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Old March 9th 09, 17:40   #167
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So, does anyone else think naked TV watching dude is Alpha?

I thought it was obvious, but, I'm wondering if it's too obvious, therefore it's a bad assumption?
No, I think it's definitely him and it was meant to be obvious.
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Old March 21st 09, 02:08   #168
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Excellent episode tonight. I knew that Helo's neighbor had to be connected to the Dollhouse, so it was cool to see I was right; and damn! she seriously kicked ass when the time came. New revelations: there are multiple Dollhouses throughout the world, and expectedly, there's someone working on the inside that's working against the Dollhouse. It'll be fun to find out who added the bit to Echo's programming to get her to nudge Helo in a different direction.

I so hope this show doesn't get canceled; it's getting good.
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It was the best episode so far. The obvious choice for the inside person is Topher's assistant, but we will see. I was also expecting the neighbor to be a plant, but not an imprinted plant, so that was a nice touch.

This episode had 3-4 different threads going on in it which was interesting. And while this was a solid episode, for me there still seems to be something "missing" in this show to me. Like it doesn't have a natural feel, or heart, so to speak. Honestly if it wasn't a Joss Whedon show I'd have tuned out by now, and even now its hard for me to identify it as one of his shows because by now in ANY of his other works, I was far more sold, and into it, than I am.

But, I guess Ill keep tuning in and see if it starts to get some sort of feeling with me.
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...The obvious choice for the inside person is Topher's assistant, but we will see....
The asian chick he makes get him food? Yeah, that's who I'm expecting it to end up being, based on what we've been given so far that is.

I think why this show seems so different than Buffy/Angel and Firefly is that there's no quirky humor. I like the premise enough that I'm interested, so I'm definitely going to keep watching. The secret conspiratorial stuff gets me going too.
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