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Old July 3rd 18, 01:17   #31
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I wouldn't want more episodes for the reasons given. But I think that having 50 minutes per episode rather than 45 would have been good for the show.
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Old July 3rd 18, 17:35   #32
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If we'd had fifty eps a season, I guarantee you there would have been more clunkers like "Gray 17 is Missing".!
AH-HA!!!!! Now I have YOU!!!!!! I think if Grey 17 is Missing could have been great if JMS hadn't been forced to limit it to a run time. I feel like so much more would work in that episode with more exposition. If he had been able to explain some of the things more I feel like it would have gelled a lot better. I think it is a great idea, but it needed more details fleshed out. Also if there had been a better solution than the steam pipe. Or at least a better visualization of that solution. Steam pipe was fine, but how it played out on camera left something to be desired.

And as I said in the "Change One Thing" thread, longer episodes would allow for more detail with regard to important things like the races in The League. With longer episodes we could have had an A Plot, B Plot, C Plot, and then a D Plot that showed us something happening with one of League Races.
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Fair enough -- and I agree, building more suspense leading up to the confrontation with the Zarg could have made things a lot better. (Honestly, I don't mind "Gray 17" as much as I think of it as a wasted opportunity. And the B plot is magnificent.)

On the other hand, I think a lot of the problem with some of the clunkers was they didn't have enough time to make them. A TV shooting schedule is wild, after all -- writing two, shooting a third, sending a fourth off to post-production -- and if they'd tried to do many more than 22 in a year, I think JMS would have simply burned out, or started cutting corners. I hope he would have recruited more writers instead of writing every word for three and a half years (Neil Gaiman excepted), but that would have been risking a different kind of problem.
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Old July 5th 18, 12:09   #34
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If we'd had fifty eps a season, I guarantee you there would have been more clunkers like "Gray 17 is Missing".!
AH-HA!!!!! Now I have YOU!!!!!! I think if Grey 17 is Missing could have been great if JMS hadn't been forced to limit it to a run time. I feel like so much more would work in that episode with more exposition. If he had been able to explain some of the things more I feel like it would have gelled a lot better. I think it is a great idea, but it needed more details fleshed out. Also if there had been a better solution than the steam pipe. Or at least a better visualization of that solution. Steam pipe was fine, but how it played out on camera left something to be desired.

And as I said in the "Change One Thing" thread, longer episodes would allow for more detail with regard to important things like the races in The League. With longer episodes we could have had an A Plot, B Plot, C Plot, and then a D Plot that showed us something happening with one of League Races.
grey 17 had a great concept--execution was just not what it could have been. most people hate it--but I look at it slightly different and think it could have been one of the better episodes if it was thought out more
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grey 17 had a great concept--execution was just not what it could have been. most people hate it--but I look at it slightly different and think it could have been one of the better episodes if it was thought out more
I definitely agree. The idea was solid it just didn't turn out in the execution. And of course the non-Garibaldi plot is top notch. It just lacks when it comes to telling the monster story. I think in part because Robert Englund is so good as Jeremiah, but we only get a brief glimpse. As I've said in the past, I wish we had more stories about other events on the station. There were so many opportunities to explore parts of the station we never saw with characters who had little to do with the main plot. Or even characters who were connected to the main plot, but we never saw them as part of the main plot.

And while I am at it, there are so many stories I want to hear about the guest star's characters. So many great characters introduced in one episode to never be heard from again. Sure some were annoying, but I would still like to know if Jinxo found the Grail or if Alisa Beldon ended up playing a critical role in the Shadow War.
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...I would still like to know if Jinxo found the Grail...
Aldus never did get to ask Kosh what the Vorlons knew, if anything. And I doubt Thomas asked before he left. And if any of the ambassadors would know, it'd be Kosh. So while I fear Thomas never found the Grail, if he at least found other seekers to keep the search going, perhaps the order did find the Grail in the end. After all, there were all those hints about cool stuff that was gonna happen eventually. Ironheart might be able to find the Grail. Or it might be on the Vorlon Homeworld.
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Aldus never did get to ask Kosh what the Vorlons knew, if anything. And I doubt Thomas asked before he left. And if any of the ambassadors would know, it'd be Kosh. So while I fear Thomas never found the Grail, if he at least found other seekers to keep the search going, perhaps the order did find the Grail in the end. After all, there were all those hints about cool stuff that was gonna happen eventually. Ironheart might be able to find the Grail. Or it might be on the Vorlon Homeworld.
Or I could choose to imagine that Thomas did talk to Kosh before he left and he knew exactly where to look.

Honestly I could care less if he found The Grail. The journey was the real point of the episode, not the object at the end of the journey. I just think there is a fountain of stories in the B5 universe to tell. Thomas' story is probably one I'm not very interested in, but that was an instantly recognizable reference so I used it as an example.
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Yeah, the journey was the important point in "Grail" -- but it would be kinda funny if, in a million years, humanity figured out how to be beings of light, occupied the Vorlon homeworld, reconnected with Ironheart... and found the Holy Grail as a sort of side note.
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Yeah, the journey was the important point in "Grail" -- but it would be kinda funny if, in a million years, humanity figured out how to be beings of light, occupied the Vorlon homeworld, reconnected with Ironheart... and found the Holy Grail as a sort of side note.


Actually it is Ironheart who shows up with The Grail. After his transformation that was the first thing he went looking for. He found it fairly quickly and then hid it again somewhere only he could find it; you know as a joke. A really drawn out joke
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