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Old April 26th 09, 03:28   #221
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Ok, I need some help.
KoshFan to the rescue! Friday's ep was pretty standalone. A little filling-in of Topher's character, an Echo plot that could have come anywhere in the season.

However the Ballard/Mellie stuff will definitely be played on in the next few. I could summarize it for you or you could sit it out, your call.
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Old April 26th 09, 04:52   #222
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I'll take a summary, please.
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Old April 26th 09, 05:32   #223
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What you need to know: Mr. ExFBI got November's fingerprint, and took it to the black woman in records at the FBI. She did a search, and about a dozen different records, under different names, but with November's photo, flashed on the screen and disappeared. FBI woman says she now believes him.

Also, Mr. ExFBI screwed the shit out of November, in a way that said to me he no longer saw her as a person, but a "Doll," to be used. Of course, she dug it.
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Old April 26th 09, 06:27   #224
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He also felt really bad about it afterwards... a lot of talk that they're taking him the "Wesley" route. Excellent acting on the part of Penikett; he had a look in his eye that made me gulp.
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I think he just feels that she isn't a real person, because of her multiple fake personalities, yet was angry with her for being used. I could see his feelings changing radically, if he finds her true persona.
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Old April 26th 09, 18:46   #226
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I've seen it suggested, and I find it a fascinating thought, that the way the Dollhouse has been monitoring and ifluencing Ballard with eavesdropping devices and a sleeper active, that maybe that's how the Dollhouse begins to get some of their handlers. Thinking about Boyd, for example; he was a police officer before working for the Dollhouse, we don't know why he agreed to work for them, but he has expressed ethical problems with what they do in the past. So, it could be an interesting twist if by the end of season one/or in the wake of those events as season two (please, please let us have a season two) begins, Ballard might end up working as a handler for the Dollhouse.

I'm worried that November is going to end up dead by the end of the season, but I really hope not because I think she's my favorite character at this point.

And I'm still thinking that though Dominic was a mole for the NSA that he wasn't the one who's reprogrammed Echo and November to include warnings to Ballard.
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Sometimes there are things that just stare you in the face, but you can't see them until someone else points it out.

For example, I decided to pop over the Whedonesque and see what new was being talked about there, and I found an entry linking to a Daily Kos blog entry talking about Dollhouse. I read the blog -- which examines the show from the perspective of it being a meta-story about television production itself -- and I was reading the comments, and that's where I found a couple people point out something that I should have realized myself, given that I'm a big word etymology nut.

The parent corporation that began the dollhouses is called Rossum. That is an allusion to an old play called "Rossum's Universal Robots". That play is the origin of the word "robot" in the English language, which can be etymologically traced back to a word meaning "slave".
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Oh, wow. That's brilliant.
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And I'm still thinking that though Dominic was a mole for the NSA that he wasn't the one who's reprogrammed Echo and November to include warnings to Ballard.
I'm sure of that. There is still at least one mole in the Dollhouse.
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I don't know about another mole in the Dollhouse, exactly; I'm thinking its been done by Alpha hacking into the Dollhouse from outside what with the way he deprogrammed Echo over the phone in that art thieving episode. While Alpha might not be physically in the Dollhouse, he's still from within its operational structure, so he could fit the designation of "man on the inside" from a certain perspective.

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