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Old July 27th 07, 00:16   #811
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Having just watched TLT...
...You just watched it? I didn't think it was out yet...close, but not yet, right?
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Old July 27th 07, 06:35   #812
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Not officially, no. I got my hands on a preview copy. Don't worry - I fully intend to buy the DVD when it is officially released in my country.
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Old July 27th 07, 07:35   #813
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Also, as of nine hours ago a torrent is available (it was available prior to that , but only with a private tracker). That's extremely fast - the bloody thing isn't even out yet!

Perhaps I'll give it a download, not sure yet (please note that this will not affect my decision to buy the disc when it's released in region 2 at September's end).

I own a lot of DVD's, but try bringing that up at a party. It's amazing. People will proudly exclaim they just download and copy on a DVD, and (almost) never buy DVD's anymore. Try convincing them that it's stealing and hurtful for the industry. I wonder, if it was possible to steal clothes in complete anonymity (like downloading), would the same sense of entitlement be applied? I'm afraid so.

True, I'll occasionally download a TV series or film, but it never affects my buying habits. I never burn something to a DVD, and will often delete a show after having watched it. For instance, I'll watch Battlestar Galactica through torrents, then later buy the box set of that season when it comes out. Though I'm TOTALLY against piracy, I donīt see the harm in that.

Oh and Bester, thanks for the review. TLT sounds great. Altough it kinda sucks that B5 would have such empty corridors - JMS managed to always have the place bursting with life on a TV budget. Perhaps a drawback to the green screen?

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Old July 27th 07, 09:44   #814
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I feel much the same way, DangerousApple, although far worse are the masses of people who actually *buy* downloaded pirate copies. That one just boggles my mind. The people who don't just download stuff for free but then also have the gall to charge others for it (often in terrible quality) just because they buy a blank disc, box, and print off a dodgy cover. Not to mention the fools who are paying someone else for freely available stolen goods, which manages to be both immoral, illegal and rather idiotic all at once.
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Old July 27th 07, 11:14   #815
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Altough it kinda sucks that B5 would have such empty corridors - JMS managed to always have the place bursting with life on a TV budget. Perhaps a drawback to the green screen?
Yeah, I'm sure you're right. But I was expecting the interiors of the station to be on a somewhat larger scale, given the new CGI methods used. Sure, we get a great new cargo bay, snazy new corridors, and (at last) a window that looks out to a rotating star field. But there is a distinct lack of familiar interiors - no C&C, no arrivals/departures lounge, no main corridor.......very little giving a visual link to the original series

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Old July 27th 07, 12:01   #816
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Sure, we get a great new cargo bay, snazy new corridors, and (at last) a window that looks out to a rotating star field.
What always bugged me on TV wasn't the lack of windows looking out: it was the lack of windows looking inward. Think about it. The entire inside of the gravitational rings are comprised of gardens, but we rarely see them.

Sure, the characters would sometimes walk through the garden, but they always stuck to some incredibly small areas. In addition, the rare times an office or restaurant would look out to the garden, the window would be small and obscured. Of course, this is being nit-picky, and there is a limit to what they could afford to show on the budget.

I did however love the fact that only the more expensive establishments / living quarters etc. looked out on the gardens. It made the world of B5 that more real.

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I feel much the same way, DangerousApple, although far worse are the masses of people who actually *buy* downloaded pirate copies.
Yeah, that one really does boggle the mind. This is probable due to the fact that a lot of people really aren't that tech savvy. Although downloading stuff is easy, you have to have a basic understanding of things: which programme you need, what to respond when that programme asks you a question, etc. (true story: often when my girlfriend wants do something on the computer, she'll need my help whenever a programme asks a question. And oftentimes, the question is literally 'Are you sure you want to download / save / (whatever)? yes / no'.).

But anyway the sense of entitlement people have to downloading is astounding. Last week I was walking out of a videogame store, when I overheard something a (clearly non-gamer) girl said to her boyfriend: "Jesus, how expensive. I REALLY don't get why you don't just download these games." Not paying for things, has almost become the status quo. That says something about our society (not to get too heavy-handed here, but still).

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Sure, the characters would sometimes walk through the garden, but they always stuck to some incredibly small areas. In addition, the rare times an office or restaurant would look out to the garden, the window would be small and obscured. Of course, this is being nit-picky, and there is a limit to what they could afford to show on the budget.
Sheridan's office had a fairly impressive window, but I think in general one of the reasons these things weren't shown much, and the core shuttle was phased out after season 1 (although that was briefly resurrected at the end of S2) was simply that JMS and the production team were never very happy with the way they looked (which is a shame, because I thought S5 in particular really suffered from being set mostly on B5 but having lost most of the interesting internal sets and vistas, such as the Zen garden).
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Not officially, no. I got my hands on a preview copy. Don't worry - I fully intend to buy the DVD when it is officially released in my country.
I wasn't worried about your buying it, I was going to ask where you live and offer to bring the popcorn!
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{snip}would have such empty corridors - JMS managed to always have the place bursting with life on a TV budget. Perhaps a drawback to the green screen?
I suspect that the empty corridors are more to do with a shortage of costumes, a big shortage of alien face masks and the disbanding of the B5 repertory company. These will correct themselves as a series of DVDs are produced.
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But anyway the sense of entitlement people have to downloading is astounding. Last week I was walking out of a videogame store, when I overheard something a (clearly non-gamer) girl said to her boyfriend: "Jesus, how expensive. I REALLY don't get why you don't just download these games." Not paying for things, has almost become the status quo. That says something about our society (not to get too heavy-handed here, but still).
I will happily do so.

Not heavy-handed, but "this generation of college students" are actually enough trouble for college instructors that we now have educational experts who give us long lectures and training sessions on "how to teach this lot of students". Some of the warnings all of these people mentioned:

1) This is one of the laziest generation of students many have ever seen in over 3 decades or so of teaching

Like it or not, young adults, this is something your teachers have noticed. There are students who insist they must pass, but they positively refuse to do the homework, show up to class every day, and get tutoring

2) These young adults sick mommy and daddy on you at the drop of a hat, and the guilt-ridden adults who have spoiled their kids for 18 years are now calling up and coming in screaming at the instructors

Yep, long gone I guess are the days of blaming Junior for failing math. I can guarantee to you this is a huge annoyance for instructors, and it used to virtually NEVER happen. A college student having mommy or daddy call and yell was once virtually unkwown. The student would never even have thought of it as an option (they were usually trying hard to hide their performance and attendance in the class )

3) More than ever before, this generation of young adults expects something for nothing, and can be genuinely outraged when told nothing in life comes for free

And that's what you are noticing. If it's a DVD they want, they just believe instinctively it is their right to have it for free. Same with room, board, and of course education. The attitude is "I was a straight-A student in high school and never had to lift a finger to work, what's wrong with you that I'm suddenly failing". I'm old enough now I just laugh. "You're not in high school anymore" I tell them. "And this is NOTHING compared to what the state university will be like.

Now, on the plus side, once forced/motivated to actually DO something, they are often some of the best SELF-TEACHERS you'll ever find. I do far less "giving a lecture" and far more answering questions and "giving you a few minutes to try to work this problem before I move on". It has worked wonders to my pass/fail rates. Well, not wonders, but in my business even an improvement of 5% is considered a high triumph.

And there are other good things about them, such as when they are generous, they are remarkably so, etc, etc.. But I mean it must be a wide-spread problem if expert after expert (usually about half of which make sense of me) keeps saying it.

I don't know how that'll ever be turned around, apart from hiring more police to hunt down and arrest random downloaders as a "lesson".
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