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Old April 10th 02, 04:09   #1
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The Very Long Night of Londo Mollari

I just watched this episode this evening and I wanted to share a couple thoughts on it.

One thing that I found strange, but never thought much about before was how Delenn appeared to Londo in his dream or whatever as like a tarot card reader. It never struck me as strange until now that Delenn would appear to him in this way, when I don't think that the Minbari were into reading tarot cards to tell a person's future. To me it doesn't seem to fit with their beliefs about life and death and the universe. I thought it was odd that Londo would see her that way. I know the Humans believed in that sort of thing, and probably the Centauri too. But I did not think that the Minbari would.

The second thought I had was how Sheridan appeared to him in the Zocalo. First he had on his EA uniform, then next it was just the pants and a white shirt. After that he had on the uniform that Delenn had made for him when B5 broke away from Earth, and then he was wearing the clothing of Ranger One. Finally just before he left Londo, he was wearing a white hooded robe that looked like the Lamuda, which Shon's parents' people used in season 1 when one of their race died. I had noticed before that each time Sheridan was shown he was wearing something different, but it never really occured to me that the clothing changes represented the changes in Sheridan's life. It was like each outfit stood for a different part of his life. But the more I thought about it, I wondered why they would have Sheridan appear like this to Londo. Is it supposed to be some kind of sign to Londo, and if so, what is the purpose of it? Was the universe trying to show Londo something using Sheridan's different uniforms to illustrate that? I just thought it was kinda odd.

If anyone has any thoughts on these things, I'd be interested to know what they are. Thanks.
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Old April 10th 02, 04:17   #2
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<blockquote><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by RW7427:
<font color=yellow>One thing that I found strange, but never thought much about before was how Delenn appeared to Londo in his dream or whatever as like a tarot card reader. It never struck me as strange until now that Delenn would appear to him in this way, when I don't think that the Minbari were into reading tarot cards to tell a person's future. To me it doesn't seem to fit with their beliefs about life and death and the universe. I thought it was odd that Londo would see her that way. I know the Humans believed in that sort of thing, and probably the Centauri too. But I did not think that the Minbari would.</font color=yellow><hr></blockquote>
Are you referring to the same Delenn who was spouting on and on about this "Great Prophecy" for the first 3 Seasons of B5? Just curious. [img]/ubbthreads/images/icons/smile.gif[/img]

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The second thought I had was how Sheridan appeared to him in the Zocalo. First he had on his EA uniform, then next it was just the pants and a white shirt. After that he had on the uniform that Delenn had made for him when B5 broke away from Earth, and then he was wearing the clothing of Ranger One. Finally just before he left Londo, he was wearing a white hooded robe that looked like the Lamuda, which Shon's parents' people used in season 1 when one of their race died. I had noticed before that each time Sheridan was shown he was wearing something different, but it never really occured to me that the clothing changes represented the changes in Sheridan's life. It was like each outfit stood for a different part of his life. But the more I thought about it, I wondered why they would have Sheridan appear like this to Londo. Is it supposed to be some kind of sign to Londo, and if so, what is the purpose of it? Was the universe trying to show Londo something using Sheridan's different uniforms to illustrate that?</font color=yellow><hr></blockquote>
Don't know. Londo and some Centauri seem to have the ability to see the future. Perhaps it was showing him Sheridan's journey for some reason, seeing as Sheridan would be present in Londo's Final Hours. Remember he made a comment in an earlier episode about how he had always felt that Sheridan would be there at the time of his death.

As to WHY this was done, that isnt as clear as the Delenn example and could be debated several ways. One reason _I_ personally think it was done like this was not for Londo's benefit, but for us, the viewers. We got some GREAT forshadowing as to Sheridan's final journey. (Wasn't he a ball of light at the very last part of the scene --- which looked like the same ball of light that the Human entering the Encounter Suit in DoFS turned into?)
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I think Londo viewed Deleen as a "tarot card" reader becuase Delenn is a wise character. And in Londo's culture, a wise person might be a "tarot card" reader or tell of the future, you might call it. I think Londo, though he might not show it or even think it, knows that Delenn is a wise person; to perceive her as such he intereperets her as something from his culture so that he can relate to it. If it's a figure resembling his culture, he'll probably give it more credibility than if it was Minbari Delenn.
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Re: The Very Long Night of Londo Mollari

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[img]/ubbthreads/images/icons/laugh.gif[/img] Uh, yeah we are talking about the same Delenn, I just didn't think that tarot cards were the Minbari's choice to see the future. [img]/ubbthreads/images/icons/tongue.gif[/img]
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<blockquote><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by RW7427:
<font color=yellow>Recoil,

[img]/ubbthreads/images/icons/laugh.gif[/img] Uh, yeah we are talking about the same Delenn, I just didn't think that tarot cards were the Minbari's choice to see the future. [img]/ubbthreads/images/icons/tongue.gif[/img]</font color=yellow><hr></blockquote>
Never said they were. But a prophecy is a (believed) vision of the future. Tarot cards are supposed to tell the future as well. It is pretty much the same concept here, so it seems like a natural fit that Londo would choose that image I suppose. A crystal ball would have worked too. [img]/ubbthreads/images/icons/wink.gif[/img]
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Yeah, the tarot cards seemed kinda Centauri-ish. [img]/ubbthreads/images/icons/laugh.gif[/img]
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Re: The Very Long Night of Londo Mollari

<blockquote><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by RW7427:
<font color=yellow>{snip} Finally just before he left Londo, he was wearing a white hooded robe that looked like the Lamuda, which Shon's parents' people used in season 1 when one of their race died.{snip}</font color=yellow><hr></blockquote>

The white robe is also similar to the one Delenn wore at the rebirth ceremony in Season 1 "The Parliament of Dreams" and the first time she met Sheridan when she came out of the Chrysalis. A religious traveling robe that signifies being reborn into a changed form, just before Sheridan becomes a first-one energy creature.
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Is that what really happens to Sheridan at Coriana 6?
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Could be RW as Lorien told him he could not return as all the firstones left for the rim and Lorien told him it was time to rest and a new adventure starts.
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I have thought about this one.
There are several logical flaws with that approach.

1. Lorien did not ask what he wanted. Hence there was nothing to ask. Lorien had given part of itself to keep Sheridan alive, and returned to take this part back. Even if Lorien would have asked if he wanted to live outside the galaxy, Sheridan may have declined. If he could have lived, he would have preferred to live with Delenn.

2. Lorien told Delenn that one day, Sheridan would simply stop. To assume that Sheridan did not stop would mean that Lorien lied to Delenn. Knowing that the Minbari do not take lies lightly, doing that would have been an enormous risk. One careless thought, one attentive Shadow to catch it, and the alliance would have shattered.

One lie means more lies. More lies would have made Lorien a careless fool. Who could guarantee that the Shadows or Vorlons would not turn against Lorien, kill it and extract every last lie, presenting them to the younger races to make them choose?

3. Lorien's healing ability was not as wonderful as it seemed. After all, the Shadows could fully heal Morden, but Lorien considered prolonging Sheridans life a great strain. In fact, it could guarantee no more than 20 years. If the simple task of prolonging was hard, transforming into something eternal &amp; complicated would have been billionfold hard.

<font color=yellow>Hence if something of Sheridan continued, it was not due to Lorien. It due to his own actions and choices. Due to stopping the Shadow war and helping to build a better future.</font color=yellow>
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