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April 2nd 06, 01:53
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EpDis: Falling Toward Apotheosis
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April 3rd 06, 15:13
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Soul Hunter
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Re: EpDis: Falling Toward Apotheosis
Vorlon vs. Vorlon. How can this be bad?
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April 3rd 06, 18:38
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Ambassador
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Re: EpDis: Falling Toward Apotheosis
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Vorlon vs. Vorlon. How can this be bad?
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LOL.
I really enjoyed this episode. It has the usual good mixture of drama and action. The Vorlon battle was great, and it was interesting to finally see what they really looked like. We also see how powerful they really are - requiring a small army, AND a First One to destroy it! My only slight critisism is that the place where Ulkesh was electrified was marked in a "this is a trap" kind of way, he must have been pretty dumb to fall for that old trick  (my memory of it is a little vague so it might not be quite as bad as I remember)
It was also intersting to see how G'Kar finally lost his eye. Another thread, neatly tied up
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April 3rd 06, 18:44
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Techno-mage
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Re: EpDis: Falling Toward Apotheosis
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Vorlon vs. Vorlon. How can this be bad?
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LOL.
I really enjoyed this episode. It has the usual good mixture of drama and action. The Vorlon battle was great, and it was interesting to finally see what they really looked like. We also see how powerful they really are - requiring a small army, AND a First One to destroy it! My only slight critisism is that the place where Ulkesh was electrified was marked in a "this is a trap" kind of way, he must have been pretty dumb to fall for that old trick (my memory of it is a little vague so it might not be quite as bad as I remember)
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I chalked that up to Ulkesh's arrogance. He didn't fear a trap, because he "knew" the humans were no threat to him.
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April 4th 06, 14:26
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Soul Hunter
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Re: EpDis: Falling Toward Apotheosis
And that particular trap was indeed no threat to him. Sure, it busted up his encounter suit, but that didn't really affect his strength.
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April 4th 06, 23:11
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Re: EpDis: Falling Toward Apotheosis
One of my favorite episodes! The Vorlon battle was truly something special. When watching this episode during the first run my eyes went wide and my jaw dropped when I saw the Vorlon's true form emerge and do battle. Epic stuff.
My only nit-pick is that the Lyta actress could have done a much better job of ACTing while pulling off her deception of Ulkesh. Not slick at all  But I love her anyway.
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April 4th 06, 23:51
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Psi Cop
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Re: EpDis: Falling Toward Apotheosis
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My only nit-pick is that the Lyta actress could have done a much better job of ACTing while pulling off her deception of Ulkesh. Not slick at all But I love her anyway.
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Ah, but is that Pat Tallman doing a poor job of playing Lyta, of Tallman doing a good job of playing Lyta as a bad actor.
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April 5th 06, 00:08
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Re: EpDis: Falling Toward Apotheosis
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Tallman doing a good job of playing Lyta as a bad actor.
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That's how I've always seen the scene. Lyta's already had her ass knocked flat by Ulkesh at least once that we've seen. He's also made it well known to her that he doesn't give a crap about her; she's only there to service him and that's it, as far as he's concerned. She's been abused by him, so it would make total sense for me that she'd be scared out of her wits about having to deceive him into this ambush. And that fear would definitely make it more difficult for her to be deceptive. And I think that that's what we see from her in that scene: Lyta -- the character -- so scared that she -- the character -- can't pull off deception well.
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April 5th 06, 01:47
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First One
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Re: EpDis: Falling Toward Apotheosis
Normally I might agree but Tallman so often delivered subpar performances (at least up until Byron's death) that I'm inclined to believe that this is just yet another one.
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April 5th 06, 14:01
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Ambassador
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Re: EpDis: Falling Toward Apotheosis
For the most part, I always like Tallmans performances and she was infinately better than Andrea Thompson IMO.
The only time she did a poor job was the episode on Mars when they are freeing Garibaldi. She goes on a bit being a good liar etc. I felt embarrased watching that, it was pretty terrible, but I guess part of that was probably the writing as well (sorry JMS).
Back on the topic though, I agree that Ulkesh was so arragant that he didn't consider the humans a threat. I never really thought about it that way before, so thanks for pointing it out.
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