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Old September 1st 06, 21:49   #71
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Re: Star Trek XI .. after all?

More evidence (and conjecture) to support the rumor of the Trek XI movie being about Kirk/Spock meeting at Star Fleet Academy

Shatner and Nimoy have been asked if they might be interested in being involved, and Nimoy speculates this may be to introduce a flashback.

http://www.scifi.com/scifiwire/index...776&type=0 Leonard Nimoy and William Shatner in Trek 11?
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Old September 2nd 06, 03:50   #72
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I was debating on posting this tidbit here as well. I'm very reluctant to think that we will see either of them IN the movie and on the big screen again. I do know that at least Nimoy needs to give approval of anyone else to play Spock. So them being contacted could be for as little as that. The rest could be hopeful thinking and conjecture.

However, I must admit, that having those two, even for just a few scenes looking at the events of the movie as flashback, would bring great credibility to the others playing their younger selves, and also go a long way to undo what Berman and Company did to Roddenberry's Star Trek.

Interesting rumor though, far more interesting than the Matt Damon one.
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Old September 2nd 06, 19:23   #73
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WOW some good arguements on ds9 .Personally it was the best Star Trek out of all the series .To me the others shows TNG,TOS and voyager were all rehashed versions of the same thing .Ds9 was different in soooo many ways.The one complaint I do have is the ending to the dominion war ..Does the federation ALWAYS have to win a major war ,how about a big loss ? Alllright so they had the klingons,romulans but that is one thing that bugs me about this universe.But of course I heard that when they preparing for the ending to ds9 that was one of the proposals is to have the feds lose it.Oh yawn now lets have em win.............AGAIN.
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Old September 2nd 06, 19:56   #74
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Thats ironic Shaal,

There are many Trek "purists" that believe that anything that followed TNG isn't "real" Trek and Gene Roddenberry had intended it. I have to agree in some ways. When he passed on, we were left with Chris Berman running the franchise, and run it he did...into the ground. While many think DS9 is the best Trek series (I like it very much myself) it is so vastly different than everything Roddenberry had set out to say, that it almost can't be compared to the rest.
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Old September 2nd 06, 20:18   #75
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I have read this many times over at trekkbbs where I post .Many TNG fans don't like ds9 simply for the reasons you stated.But I also think that you have to change a franchise in order to survive and I think ds9 did that.From the very start and this is IMHO that when Emissary aired and Sisko appeared .His conferanation ? with Picard over the death of his wife is what may have turned many original fans off,you don't start out a new series by insulting a popular character. I like TNG and there are many eps that Berman penned that I like I am not saying I don't like TNG .I think they ran into the ground by using the TNG cast again and again.I think Ds9 would have made a good movie for the big screen .Or better a mixed cast.
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Old September 2nd 06, 23:50   #76
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More evidence (and conjecture) to support the rumor of the Trek XI movie being about Kirk/Spock meeting at Star Fleet Academy

Shatner and Nimoy have been asked if they might be interested in being involved, and Nimoy speculates this may be to introduce a flashback.
I'm not sure why the flashback notion is seen as "evidence" of the Starfleet Academy idea in particular. Shatner and Nimoy are in their 70s. When the show went off the air 37 years ago they (and their characters) were still in their 30s. We were never told where in their five-year mission they started and ended the series, but anything set during that time period would, by definition, be a flashback from the standpoint of a 70 year old Kirk or Spock, and would clearly need different actors to play the younger versions - even if those younger versions were in their 30s, 40s or (probaby) 50s. The idea of a flashback doesn't mean that they're flashing back to Kirk in his 20s.

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Old September 3rd 06, 00:00   #77
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WOW some good arguements on ds9 ... Ds9 was different in soooo many ways.
B5 fans tend to like DS9 best because it is grittier and less sanitized than the other shows - because it ismore like B5. Trek purists often dislike it for exactly the same reason. (BTW, I would tend to argue that TOS was less prone to the "man is perfected" fantasy than the later shows. Kirk could still have plenty of flaws that Picard, Roddennberry's ideal Federation captain, could never be allowed.)

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In a word, yes. To paraphrase JMS, "Let's have a show of hands. How many of you thought I was going to have our heroes fight a major war for over two years and then have them LOSE? Uh-huh. The next sound you heard would have been millions of remote controls switching to another channel." As he always said, it is the journey, the process, not the destination. The Federation could lose a minor war on a Trek show - but only if they came back from the loss. Since the Federation are the good guys they aren't going to launch a war of conquest. That means any war they get involved in is going to be a defensive war. And if the Federation loses a defensive war, it gets conquered by somebody else and ceases to be the Federation. You might get an interesting series out of the story of former Federation worlds under the thumb of the Dominion, but it wouldn't be DS9 anyomre. And you can bet at the end of that hypothetical series that the underground Federation resistance would WIN.

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Old September 3rd 06, 01:14   #78
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In a word, yes. To paraphrase JMS, "Let's have a show of hands. How many of you thought I was going to have our heroes fight a major war for over two years and then have them LOSE? Uh-huh. The next sound you heard would have been millions of remote controls switching to another channel." As he always said, it is the journey, the process, not the destination. The Federation could lose a minor war on a Trek show - but only if they came back from the loss. Since the Federation are the good guys they aren't going to launch a war of conquest. That means any war they get involved in is going to be a defensive war. And if the Federation loses a defensive war, it gets conquered by somebody else and ceases to be the Federation. You might get an interesting series out of the story of former Federation worlds under the thumb of the Dominion, but it wouldn't be DS9 anyomre. And you can bet at the end of that hypothetical series that the underground Federation resistance would WIN.

All good points to make JD and I am afraid I still disagree.But then maybe that's why I am also losing intererst in both tv and Star Trek in general it seems that all they do is a rehash of the same boring thing .The good guys always have to win at some in the storyline.Boring this post should also tell you how much tv I watch virtually none.But back to the Ds9 thing with the millions of sets turning off mine would have stayed on had JMS and the producers of Ds9 had their heroes lost the war that would have made me tune in with even more enthusiam.To each his own.
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Re: Star Trek XI .. after all?

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B5 fans tend to like DS9 best because it is grittier and less sanitized than the other shows - because it ismore like B5. Trek purists often dislike it for exactly the same reason. (BTW, I would tend to argue that TOS was less prone to the "man is perfected" fantasy than the later shows. Kirk could still have plenty of flaws that Picard, Roddennberry's ideal Federation captain, could never be allowed.)
Perfect example for that is probably Errand of Mercy - one of my favourite episodes of everything ever. I loved the way in the end, Kirk is left to wonder if he's in any way better than Kor, and the audience with him, that had firmly seen Kirk as the good guy throughout the whole episode - the kind of situation later trek shows aside from DS9 would never have had the balls to do. Yeah, characters were put in "moral dilemmas" .. but they were always about figuring out just what would be the MORE holy thing to do.

The way Voyager dealt with "morale" honestly made me want to throw up.
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Re: Star Trek XI .. after all?

JMS always talked about the bell curve too, and Shaal, your sliding off the edge. You can have your heroes lose a war at the start, if need be (think Firefly) but not at the end. How much of a downer would that be?
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