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Old August 10th 14, 08:22   #71
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Re: B5 Feature Film to be scriptedTRUE! There will be a feature film going into produ

Sorry, my question wasn't clear Why are you assuming a trilogy of movies in the first place?

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Old August 10th 14, 21:54   #72
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How could it not be the first of a series of films?

Part of me thinks the best starting point is the time period covered by "In the Beginning" but purely from the humans point of view with Sinclair as a key role and ending with Sinclair being returned, the war over and several years later Sinclair taking helm of B5. Leave the Minbari a complete mystery and no Vorlons.


A second film could pick up with Sinclair taking over B5. But the exact plot to cover in just that film is very tricky. I think they'd have to maybe take plot points from "And the Sky Full of Stars", "Signs and Portents" and "Chrysalis" but with the focus on corruption in the earth government, people trying to discover what Sinclair knows and the assassination of the current earth president. The Shadows and Vorlons would be introduced but only as a tease.

In the end I just have a hard time seeing how Joe can shrink the huge plot down into a movie. I think the Londo/G'Kar and PsiCorp storylines would take a HUGE hit
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I found a copy of a post of JMS' from back when the proposed TV series had dead-ended back in 2011. Don't know if this will help assuage people's fears or not but it's probably still applicable today.:

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Despite what some folks say, the fact is that saying "reboot" is like saying "science fiction," it means what you're pointing at, and there are all kinds of permutations of what that means. It (and remember we're talking about something that is not currently on the boards) can't be a straight-ahead sequel because the market can't sustain it when the show hasn't been on the air in the US in over a decade. That's never, ever going to fly. It can't be called Babylon 5 if there isn't a place called Babylon 5, so the station has to be in existence, otherwise you can't use that name. You could do a show about the telepath war, but you couldn't call it Babylon 5 unless there's a Babylon 5 there, otherwise it'll confuse the hell out of new audiences (oh, that's named for a station that used to be there in another series you never saw).

The challenge I set for myself in this is very simple: knowing what I know now, having grown a lot as a writer since 1992 (or for that matter the late 80s when I started writing the pilot), having the experience of the original show in what worked and what didn't, and with all the technology available to us now that wasn't there in 1992, if I were to put the show together right now, what would it look like? That, for my money, is what a reboot is.
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Thanks for sharing that, Jan.

And for my two cents: I don't mind a bit when t.v. and movies use familiar actors in different roles. It allows us to appreciate a different characterization, and can be quite good. They are, after all, actors not characters.

All I ask of any of my entertainment is that it have interesting characters that I can enjoy, and good writing. Orphan Black gave me faith that modern science fiction can be excellent.

I hope that's a good sign for this project. Maybe people are itching for a bit more cerebral science fiction than "Zombie Thor Clan, the Crunchables!", or whatever it is these days.

(Not that some of the superhero and zombie films can't be good. We do have an awful lot of them, lately, that's all.)
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Why wouldn't you assume a trilogy? Everything is trilogies. It's the best compromise between amortizing development costs and guranteeing a reasonably stable income. I mean, there's one reason "Hobbit" was three movies instead of one, and it's got nothing to do with integrity.

Besides, rebootig B5 presumably entails retelling its story, right? So compressing 110 episodes into 360 minutees (At one ep every 3.2 minutes!) has got to be easier than compressing 110 episodes in 120 minutes (at 1 ep every 1.09 minutes!) I'm being a bit facetious, obviously, but you get my point: Lot of story, not a lot of screen time.
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How could it not be the first of a series of films?

Part of me thinks the best starting point is the time period covered by "In the Beginning" but purely from the humans point of view with Sinclair as a key role and ending with Sinclair being returned, the war over and several years later Sinclair taking helm of B5. Leave the Minbari a complete mystery and no Vorlons.


A second film could pick up with Sinclair taking over B5. But the exact plot to cover in just that film is very tricky. I think they'd have to maybe take plot points from "And the Sky Full of Stars", "Signs and Portents" and "Chrysalis" but with the focus on corruption in the earth government, people trying to discover what Sinclair knows and the assassination of the current earth president. The Shadows and Vorlons would be introduced but only as a tease.

In the end I just have a hard time seeing how Joe can shrink the huge plot down into a movie. I think the Londo/G'Kar and PsiCorp storylines would take a HUGE hit
The best examples of this I've seen are both Japanese. The 36-episode series "Macross" eventually produced a feature-length movie that was essentially a retelling of the entire TV series, but with significant departures (Including new uniforms, some redesigned characters, a lot of new equipment, somewhat re-imagined enemies, etc) Some die who didn't die before, some live who didn't before, and some simply don't exist in this world at all. Taken on its own, it was a very good movie, and a lot of fun.

It later turned out that the gag was this: The TV series was what actually happened, and the movie was a big dumb Hollywood blockbuster ABOUT what happened made 30 years after the fact. The movie was to reality what a World War II movie was to the real war.

(In the unanticipated spinoff series, Macross 7, one of the characters is a much older guy from the original series who is talking to someone who basically only knows of him from watching the movie. With some embarasment he says, "Yes, I've seen it. It wasn't very realistic.")

The other good one was the recent "Space Battleship Yamato," which basically compressed the entire original Star Blazers season (ANd some bits from season 2) into one movie, took a ton of liberties (Some very ballsy), but still managed to hold true to everything that was important in the original. Not a very accurate reboot, but spiritually it was dead on target.
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Thanks for sharing that, Jan.

And for my two cents: I don't mind a bit when t.v. and movies use familiar actors in different roles. It allows us to appreciate a different characterization, and can be quite good. They are, after all, actors not characters.

All I ask of any of my entertainment is that it have interesting characters that I can enjoy, and good writing. Orphan Black gave me faith that modern science fiction can be excellent.

I hope that's a good sign for this project. Maybe people are itching for a bit more cerebral science fiction than "Zombie Thor Clan, the Crunchables!", or whatever it is these days.

(Not that some of the superhero and zombie films can't be good. We do have an awful lot of them, lately, that's all.)
I have reservations, not damnations. If it gets made, I'll be there to see it on day 1, showing 1, and if it's good, I'll be happy and see it again and tell everyone. And if it sucks, I won't do those latter things.

What else can anyone reasonably ask of me?
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I certainly hope it actually does make it to the big screen.

I can't help but wonder, what comes next? (What could go wrong, as well?)
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Why wouldn't you assume a trilogy?
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