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Old February 16th 05, 18:33   #11
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Dureena Nafeel as a future technomage?
Info in the Technomage Trilogy makes this unlikely, but I did really like Dureena, and her dynamics with various members of the group.
If I remember correctly, jms said in a commentary on the Crusade dvds that Dureena would have come to have power much like Galen, but that the two would kind of be philosophical opposites when it came to application of that power.

I wish I could remember exactly what he said, but I remember jms saying something.
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Old February 16th 05, 19:01   #12
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How can you people like that music? It was just completely out of place. It sounded like tropical island music in deep dark space. It did the worst job of properly setting the mood I've ever seen out of a TV show or film. B5, now that had great music.
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Old February 16th 05, 19:04   #13
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I wish Crusade had continued, it sounds like all the good stuff was coming but never quite arrived.. And by now we'd have been able to look back on the whole 5 years.

The Path of Sorrows would have been compulsory viewing if it had been Lyta in that role, and Lennier had appeared, I never knew that..

I like the music in Crusade because in a way it resembles what Christopher Franke did in Season 1 - that is, it's more of a soundscape than a soundtrack, very moody, bit like what Vangelis did for Bladerunner, not as melodic as later on. But Chen never got the battles or the moments of high drama quite right, in my opinion, which isn't to say that he wouldn't have done so given more time..

I thought Crusade had a tremendous cast, every bit as good as B5, and with the inevitable chopping and changing who knows what might have happened later on (Marcus Cole?)

On the other hand, I didn't find what ended up on the screen terribly engaging. The series badly needed a longer run in than it got, coupled with the kind of benign neglect that B5 benefited from.. It just never seemed to find its feet.. even in the episodes with the grey uniforms..

Was JMS hinting at Dureena as a Vorlon?
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Old February 17th 05, 00:21   #14
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Franke was great, no question, but it was very classicist and, in a sense, safe.

Big orchestral scores for sci-fi. Ho-hum. Very nice, but so been there done that.

I would say Chen used a bit of heavy-hand in A Call To Arms, but was getting subtle enough in Crusade to make it distinctive and appropriate. Crusade, in a sense, could be considered more "alien," given the setting and the show. Melodically bent percussion done right is more contemporary and has more room for originality today than string orchestras.

No, I wouldn't listen to a CD of it, but I don't listen to scores.
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Old February 17th 05, 03:35   #15
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How can you people like that music? It was just completely out of place. It sounded like tropical island music in deep dark space. It did the worst job of properly setting the mood I've ever seen out of a TV show or film. B5, now that had great music.
Your opinion. Personally, I'm with GKE I loved it from day one precisely because it wasn't the usual big orchestral score thing that so often get associated with TVSF.

Franke's stuff for B5 was great, but as JMS said at the time - he wanted something different as Crusade was a different show.

And I don't normally listen to scores either, but I have the Crusade CD, and I love that too!

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Old February 17th 05, 06:08   #16
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My favorite B5 is Crusade. There was so much potential and the written but unfilmed scripts was the point were the action really kicked in.

Yes there were somethings that became not quite logical with dates shown in episodes , dialogue looped to try to fix the mess TNT made by demanding new uniforms and messed up episode order (se other thread for my take on the "right" episode order).

But what would happened when Dureena got her sword i her 3-part episodes, the sword shown in the intro ?
What would happen after Gideon died in the beginning of season 2 and his soul/mind/essence/whatever gets transferred to the Apocayple box (that is the reasom behind the box talking with Gideons mildly distorded voice) ?
And why did (would) Dureena sword glow when near the box ?
And why do the box, the "dead Gideon", warn the living Gideon not to trust Galen ?
And so on.

Once again we would have seen that "all is not as it seems" and I think jms would have made Crusade into a truly great show.

Maybe tmos, that seems to pick up on some of the shadow-tech stuff from the unfilmed Crusade script, may lead to something that finish the Crusade story, somehow.

And if the Rangers telemovie is not yet on DVD because it is "closer" to tmos what does that mean ?
More Hand stuff ?
More Rangers ?
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Old February 17th 05, 07:17   #17
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I agree. The music for Crusade was awesome.
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Old February 17th 05, 07:23   #18
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What would happen after Gideon died in the beginning of season 2 and his soul/mind/essence/whatever gets transferred to the Apocayple box (that is the reasom behind the box talking with Gideons mildly distorded voice) ?

Iam sure Gideon would not have died at the begining of season . At the of end of season 1 he would have been shot but if I am not mistaken he does survive to go on and find a cure for the plague with that apocolypse box causing more than a little trouble a along the way.
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Old February 17th 05, 08:59   #19
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Well this is the first I've ever heard of Gideon dying and Dureena's sword. This, and the "why are you here" opening credits and a technomage make the show-that-never-was sound really mystical and magicky.
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Old February 17th 05, 09:06   #20
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Wow, it's great to hear so many people who did/do actually like the Crsade music. I too enjoyed it, even though it was a bit heavy handed. I can't recall ever seeing so many saying they liked it.
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