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Old February 11th 03, 16:33   #1
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I am surprised that Lord of the Rings: The Two Towers was only nominated for five Oscars. No nomination for Peter Jackson or for cinematography! What dunces!!

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Old February 11th 03, 18:19   #2
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Personally I am overjoyed to see LoTR : The Two Towers get as many nominations as it got , among them in the very prestigious Best Picture-category. There were many good films last year and I thought it might get snubbed alltogether.

Great recognition of what will be a brilliant movie-saga! [img]images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

Go LoTR!! [img]images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]
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Old February 11th 03, 21:20   #3
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I think TTT deserved to get fewer nominations than last year... Fellowship was a better movie in my opinion.
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Old February 12th 03, 16:41   #4
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I have to disagree there. I'm not goign to say one was a better movie than the other, because all 3 are essentially one movie. I think TT deserves the Best Picture Award, esp since it had a lot more character development this time around. Hell I'd give it the award if all it had was the Frodo/Sam/Gollum-Smeagol thread!
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Old February 12th 03, 19:52   #5
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Oh I definitely think it should have been nominated for Best Picture... I'm just saying that I think Fellowship was a better movie and deserved more nominations. In my mind, Fellowship (while not 100 percent faithful) captured the heart of that book. While I liked the TTT, the movie just seemed to lose some of it's heart...
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Old February 12th 03, 21:16   #6
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But it isn't a matter of the Academy saying "This movie is worth X nominations" and then figuring out what categories to give those nominations in. It is a category by category decision. So which categories that you thought FotR deserved last year did you think TTT did not deserve this year?

From what I have read it sounds like the music branch has decided that music from a sequel is by definition derivative and therefore ineligible for either the score or the song categories. This is true regardless of how much new music is written. Does that sound right to you? That was two nominations (and one win) that FotR got that TTT didn't.

Similarly, the hair and makeup branch decided that TTT (and presumably RotK next year) was ineligible on the grounds that everything they did was just an extension / recreation of what they did for FotR. Never mind that there were many new characters and makeup effects relative to what appeared in FotR. Do you agree with that decision?

I can see it being argued that Ian McKellen didn't put on as impressive of a performance in TTT as in FotR, largely because he wasn't asked / required to do as much.

For Directing, I seems to me that the challenges in putting TTT together were even greater than those of FotR. This is due to the distributed nature of the story and getting the large group / huge army scale battles done well. Or did you think that PJ did a less skillful job of keeping the movie together this time than last?

I have no idea happened in the cinematography category. They won last year and didn't even get nominated this time.

From your earlier comments, it sounds like you agree with TTT not getting an adaptd screenplay nomination.

FotR also got a costume nomination. I have seen a quote from one of this year's nominees saying that TTT seemed to them to be an "odd" omission.

That's 8 categories where FotR was nominated where TTT wasn't. On the other hand TTT got nominated for Sound Effects Editing where FotR was not. Naturally, it can always be argued that some of those nominations fell away not because of anything to do with Lord of the Rings or how it is perceived but just because this was a stronger year than last year in some categories. Maybe that's what happened in cinematography.

And, of course, no matter how good RotK turns out to be it will get fewer nomination than FotR because it won't be eligible in 3 categories and I don't see it being able to make up for that in the other categories.
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Old February 12th 03, 21:59   #7
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All true.

I'm hoping though, that next year will be the payoff for LOTR. Best Picture, Best Director, etc. It could be that I am just an optimist.

Side note: I'd hate to have to choose between LOTR:TTT and SW2:AOTC for visual effects.
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I'd hate to have to choose between LOTR:TTT and SW2:AOTC for visual effects.
My opnion?

TTT gets it on the strength of Gollum.
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Old February 12th 03, 22:41   #9
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Oh I'm not saying you're wrong. I just have the whole inner debate going on.

Two Towers is best. Just look at Gollum.

Yeah, Gollum was unbelievable, but I thought some Ent shots were dodgy.

Does it say "dodgy?"

And CGI Yoda was no slouch, either.

No, my precious! The nice hobbitses should win, not the nasty Jedis!

It kinda goes downhill from there... [img]images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]
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So which categories that you thought FotR deserved last year did you think TTT did not deserve this year?

Best Director for one.

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Or did you think that PJ did a less skillful job of keeping the movie together this time than last?

Yes, I wholeheartedly belive that.

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And, of course, no matter how good RotK turns out to be it will get fewer nomination than FotR because it won't be eligible in 3 categories and I don't see it being able to make up for that in the other categories.
Doesn't that depend on the relative strengths of the other movies that are released this year? From what I've heard, this year will be a pretty weak as far as Oscar-worthy films. If PJ can knock it out of the park with RotK, then he should do well next year.
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