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Old December 19th 03, 09:08   #11
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Re: Shelob ROCKS! (spoilers for ROTK)

I actually liked that the movie ended with Sam and his family in the Shire. After all, that's what they went to war for in the first place, right? It was perfect. Yeah, the ship going into the distance would have been a smash ending, but it SHOULDN'T have ended there -- Sam kissing his daughter was a distinct reminder that Frodo's victory was a victory for LIFE.
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Old December 19th 03, 11:56   #12
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I know some people have complained about one or more of the "six" endings (are there really six or was it that someone approximated it in their review and the quote just stuck???), but I liked all "six" endings. If PJ had put in six more, I think I may have been okay with that too.

It's a lot like B5. Babylon 5 was not about the Shadow War, it was about the build-up & preparation, the conflict itself, and the resolution & growth afterwards. Return of the King is the same way. If the movie had ended at Mordor, it would have truly been all about the ring. Instead, the story was about the characters, and the ending(s) showed that.

This isn't exactly a spoiler because I won't give away the exact line, but Aragorn has a brief-but-profound final comment to the four hobbits in one of the endings. To me those few little words were quite possibly the defining moment of the entire trilogy. I've never cried at movies, but certain scenes in certain movies make me come close. I've never come closer to losing my "man card" than when Aragorn says those few little words (I'm on lunch break at work 2 days after seeing the movies, and just typing about it almost brings a tear).

A moment in the runner-up category would be the facial expressions on the four hobbits when they realize no one knows or would ever understand what they went through to save all of middle-earth and that those 13(?) months changed them forever. (Again, kind of like Babylon 5; some people on Mars--and probably Earth too--didn't even know there was a Shadow War, much less that we won).

Excellent movie. I have to see it at least once more to decide if it's my favorite of all time, but LOTR as a whole has got to be my favorite trilogy.

Oh, and just for the sake of sticking to the original thread topic...

Shelob was pretty cool. I haven't read the third book, so I wasn't anticpating Shelob as much as others. It was very well done as far as special effects, but I guess I would say I was much more impressed by other things in the movie. In a weird way, I guess that could still be taken as a compliment to the movie that such a cool element is still not the best thing about it.
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Old December 20th 03, 00:33   #13
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I think last part of the movie wouldn't seem as drawn out if they hadn't gone to black than paused for each one. Don't get me wrong personally I loved the movie and wasn't bored for a second I just think a little bit could have been saved for the extended cut leaving Sam's wedding as example of what they were fighting for.
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Old December 20th 03, 01:04   #14
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It's all about what Jackson wants to leave the audience with. Your last shot of the movie in a way ultimately defines the movie. It's the last thign the audience sees so that's what you leave them with. Ending the movie with the ships leaving or with Sam and his family have two completely different effects. I personally wanted to see the ships as the last shot, ending with the dark maturity rather than the typical Hollywood happy shot...although, I can't remember what the last image Tolkien leaves us with in the book...does anyone remember?
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Old December 20th 03, 01:53   #15
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I just got back from the theater and I have to say that it's one of the best films I've ever seen in front of a giant screen. Like others have said, there are definitely some moments where I was near tears. If it doesn't win the Oscar, then someone should be shot.
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Old December 20th 03, 06:41   #16
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I can't remember what the last image Tolkien leaves us with in the book...does anyone remember?
The book ends just as the film does, with Sam returning home, picking up his daughter and saying,

"Well, I'm back."
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Old December 20th 03, 11:41   #17
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The book ends just as the film does, with Sam returning home, picking up his daughter and saying,

"Well, I'm back."
Which is the perfect ending, showing that all the sacrifice was worthwhile, as it allowed life to go on, changed but peacefully.

If you put the books, and the ending, in the context in which they were written, i.e. the aftermath of war, it makes sense. Peace is the ultimate goal
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Old December 20th 03, 13:25   #18
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Re: Shelob ROCKS! (spoilers for ROTK)

All I can say is:

Bravo Peter Jackson! Bravo! Bravo!

RoTK is a magnificent ending to a magnificent movie-trilogy, the 3 films together (especially in Extended DVD-versions) are a masterpiece!

PS. The Shelob-sequence was one of the many, many great scenes that together made this into an excellent tapestry of movie-magic!
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Old December 21st 03, 00:46   #19
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Re: Shelob ROCKS! (spoilers for ROTK)

This movie made me feel the way that the big charge down the hill in TTT made me feel. All tingly, and such. And it lasted pretty much throughout the ENTIRE thing. I even hung around until the credits finished rolling, because I felt that such a magnificently crafted piece of film DESERVED it. Apparently, no one else did, since everyone but my two friends had bailed by the end of the credits.

And there was a small child I was ready to throttle as well. Although, I think someone beat me to it, because after the battle at Minas Tirith more or less subsided, I heard no more of the little villain.

Anyways.... this IS the definitive trilogy now. I feel that there should be NO DOUBT of that. At least, that's MY simple opinion.
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Old December 21st 03, 08:17   #20
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Good point about the credits. I went to see it opening day with a friend from work, but he (along with most of the people in theater) isn't the type to sit through credits, so neither did I.

I hope to see it a second time with my best friend, and he is the type to sit through at least some of the credits. I noticed they did them in a different visual style, so I'd like to see more of them myself.
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