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Old August 3rd 18, 02:38   #21
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Torqueman is raising a totally natural objection to Delenn's transformation. (She's doing it in an incredibly passive-aggressive, brutal, and un-journalistic way, of course, but her point still stands.) And Delenn realizes Torqueman has a point, an angle she never even considered -- an angle which could ruin her entire mission in going through the chrysalis.
Yes I think it is brilliant. I just don't like seeing Delenn rattled, but there is a realism to it.

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And I just now realized this: when Sebastian asks Delenn if she's ever considered that she might be wrong, and she says yes -- this scene is one of those times.
Yep you hit that one right on the head!!!!!
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Good point. I've never considered that but yeah, Delenn would have seen that as a point at which she may believe she was wrong.





@Looney, it's not just that the Minbari don't have press, they don't even dissent in that way much within the Grey Council. Delenn has probably had very few people talk to her in such a fashion in over 12 years, if ever.
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@Looney, it's not just that the Minbari don't have press, they don't even dissent in that way much within the Grey Council. Delenn has probably had very few people talk to her in such a fashion in over 12 years, if ever.
Very true. The Council polices itself. A very dangerous way to run a government, but at least it isn't as dangerous as one individual making all of the decisions.
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Considering how the Grey Council talk to each other sometimes, I expect Delenn has been talked to that way before. Remember, she got savaged by Neroon in "All Alone in the Night." And heck, the one she was talking to in "In the Beginning" (when she picked out Sinclair's fighter) wasn't exactly polite.

But there's a difference between getting chewed out by people she's known for years and disagrees with strongly (Neroon) and someone who ostensibly is just there to ask some questions and then ambushes you from nowhere.
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It's worth noting that Delenn has been called a 'freak' by both Humans (GROPOS) and Minbari recently and her change is still new. It can't be easy for her to realize that she's not being accepted by either Humans or Minbari and they seem to hate her for what she did. She literally sacrificed all she was and it's not going as she expected.
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She literally sacrificed all she was and it's not going as she expected.
Very true. And having cameras on her while that point is being forced on her would create a very uncomfortable situation.
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Considering how the Grey Council talk to each other sometimes, I expect Delenn has been talked to that way before. Remember, she got savaged by Neroon in "All Alone in the Night." And heck, the one she was talking to in "In the Beginning" (when she picked out Sinclair's fighter) wasn't exactly polite.

But there's a difference between getting chewed out by people she's known for years and disagrees with strongly (Neroon) and someone who ostensibly is just there to ask some questions and then ambushes you from nowhere.

Yep, that's my point. Neroon would have just come straight at her. The reporter comes at her in a very passive-aggressive way that I suspect is somewhat new to her. She acted like she was just going to ask Delenn soft, easy questions that she could answer easily (like what does Minbar look like) and then suddenly asked her a question which was an attack on multiple levels.



A human politician would be used to this sort of thing. But I doubt anyone ever talks to someone on the Grey Council that way. The Minbari government isn't a democracy where anyone feels the need to try to turn the public against you with this sort of question.
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