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Old June 30th 03, 15:05   #11
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How did we get ripped off and you didn't? Didn't you pay to see the movie, too?

There are a bunch of B5 episodes that remain unresolved, especially during season 4.

And what about 2-part episodes, as done throughout Star Trek?

Matrix: Reloaded only had one brief sex scene, much less than most movies. And I don't even know where those "shallow" comments are coming from.

I didn't like the movie, either, but not because "nothing happened," but because I didn't care about what happened.
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Old June 30th 03, 21:26   #12
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because I didn't care about what happened.

exactly.

which reminds me- yea the last two SW movies DIDN'T end. thats right.

neither did X2.

so that's X2, 2 starwars movies, TLOTR, Matrix that I paid

$7 PLUS popcorn and drinks... 7 x 5 movies = $35 EXcluding popcorn and drinks...

so thats 4 movies i have to see the sequel to...

so can someone do the math? Excluding the popcorn and drinks of course....

thats how we are getting ripped off on a nationwide scale.

instead of 35 the movie industry is getting $58 out of me.
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Old July 1st 03, 00:57   #13
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Well, if spending money on sequels and whatnot is annoying, would you rather all the Lord of the Rings movies, SW movies, etc. be combined into one massive feature? And anyways, it's not THAT bad. At least we haven't had a movie end in mid-sentence. "Say! Let's go fight the bad guy now and end th-" TO BE CONTINUED

Now THAT would be retarded.
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Old July 1st 03, 08:49   #14
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The underlieing difference of opinion seems to be in our approach to what is the unit that should embody a complete narative. You say that it must be 1.5 to 3 hour movie that you see in one sitting. I say that it is the complete story that the writer is telling. The vast majority of movies that have been made do complete their story within a single movie. However, that does not mean that that is the only form that is possible. If someone has a story that would take 5 hours to tell (or 9 -> 11 in the case of Lord of the Rings), your rules would dictate that those stories never be told on film (since theaters wouldn't want to show movies that would have that few screenings per day, and studios would have no hope of recouping the extra budget from required single release).

I think that it is a perfectly acceptable option to break such stories up into 2 or 3 pieces. It can be reasonably argued that a particular story does not really require that much time. Maybe the Matrix is a story that didn't need to be stretched out that long. I won't realy know until after I have seen the last one. I *would* contend that LotR has plenty of story and character development to warrant the 10.5 to 11 hours that the 3 extended edition DVD's will total.

You, sassy, have a strong preference for movies where the story is short enough to be told in one movie sitting. That's fine. I have a strong dislike for slasher flicks. Therefore, I just don't go to see them. Why don't you save yourself the aggravation and just not go to see the movies that aren't going to fit into your preferences? Virtually all of the movies that you have named as violating your "ending rule" (to coin a shorthand term for it) there was a *huge* marketing compaign saturating American society before and just after the movie's release. All of those campaigns basically screamed at the public "This is Part 1 of 2" or "This is Part 2 of 3" or whatever. The marketing people did this specifically to avoid having many people be surprised by the lack of closure by the time the credits rolled and being alienated to the point of avoiding the finale (or next installment). Therefore, it should be easy for you to spot these movies before you actually see them, and then not bother to go see them.

This is why I don't agree that they are "ripping off" anyone. They are not pulling a bait-and-switch. They are telling everyone up front that what you will be seeing is the first half, or first third, or middle third, of the story. In order for someone to go into the theater expecting closure they would need to disregard everything about all of the marketing blitz etc. based on the assumption that "It couldn't be what they described. It must fit into my preconceptions instead."



BTW: There were definitely B5 episodes that did not have "endings" at the end of that week's broadcast. A Voice in the Wilderness, Part 1 and War Without End, Part 1 did not have endings. You are just more tolerant of seeing "To Be Continued" at the end of a TV episode than at the end of a movie. Again, that's fine. Your preferences are your preferences and noone is trying to tell you that you can't / shouldn't have them (at least I'm not). However, your preferences do not define the way *everything* *must* be in all cases for everyone.
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Old July 2nd 03, 15:20   #15
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Well, if spending money on sequels and whatnot is annoying, would you rather all the Lord of the Rings movies, SW movies, etc. be combined into one massive feature?
Funnily enough, me and some of my mates are planning to do this with all the extended versions of LotR when they are evetually all out. To do this, we will need to dehydrate ourselves to the point of hallucination as you are probably looking at approximately 10.5 hours of continous screen-time. I think we will have to do sentry duty! Watch Fellowship, one of us goes to the bog, one of us gets the drinks in and the other sets the next video up (and then we rotate).

The nearest you could have got to do it recently was in Stratford-upon-Avon, where they were showing Fellowship, then you had an hours break and then they showed The Two Towers.
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Old July 10th 03, 21:57   #16
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Was I the only person who actually liked Matrix Reloaded? The action scenes were astonishing and stylish, and it had a reasonably good plot underpinning it.

I think most people got put off by the verbose philosophising that the movie indulged in. I agree that the wording of these scenes was way over the top, but it actually gave the film a good deal of substance if you deconstructed the terminology and focused on what was being said (instead of how).

In this, a second viewing helped.

And if I hear someone else craping on about how the film was about fate and destiny, I'll scream!

The whole movie is about CONTROL.

POSSIBLE SPOILERS FOR MARTRIX REVOLUTIONS COMING - BE WARNED!








There are a number of hints scattered throughout the movie that Zion and 'reality' are just another version of the Matrix. Any takers on this?

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Old July 11th 03, 04:42   #17
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Was I the only person who actually liked Matrix Reloaded?
No you are not....I was just to afraid to admit it considering that most of us disliked it
I am looking forward to Revolution
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Old July 11th 03, 08:55   #18
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I liked it well enough. I definitely plan on seeing the last part. The action sequences were good eye candy and the dialog etc. required the brain to be engaged more than most summer action flicks (which is a good thing).

I am reserving final judgement until I see the entire story, though. To do otherwise would seem to me to be like declaring your opinion of a typical movie (without a "To Be Continued") half way through.

With LotR I don't have to worry about that. I have read the book and know where the story is going and how things will play out. In that case it is more a matter of judging how that story is being realized. I could tell you well before the end of the first part of that one that I loved that production. Having now seen the extended DVD version, I prefer that to the theatric release version.
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Old July 11th 03, 14:45   #19
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I'm glad that you asked that question, because I just saw the movie a second time and my opinion of it has definitely risen. I really don't see how so many people could "love" the first one and not like the second one, because its really just more of the same... more action, more coolness, more dime-store philosophising, more everything. I'm not sure where these Matrix movies will fall in the great pantheon of sci-fi when it's all said and done, but they're definitely some of the best sci-fi that's been put out in the last several years (though that's not really saying all that much).
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