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Old July 30th 10, 03:08   #391
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Re: Buffy the Vampire Slayer

Ooh "the wolf, ram and hart" were once weak, "lower than the vampires," according to Illyria (who btw looks like something out of an X-Men comic). Do I get a WR&H origin story?
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Old July 30th 10, 23:41   #392
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I don't remember one, at least nothing explicit.

I personally love the switch from Fred to Illyria. Fred's death scene feels particularly painful to me, especially with the bit of bookending of the scenes of her leaving home to go to college.
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Old July 31st 10, 22:55   #393
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Finishing Angel tonight...

It was amazing how many different ways they found of telling me that Fred is really really gone.
So, um... she's gone?

If putting the necklace around the monster to make him kill himself every day was loophole to get Gunn back, it's messed up that they had to wait for Ilyria to think of that.
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Old August 1st 10, 04:35   #394
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Penultimate episode of Angel just finished, and it was f'n awesome, the way it tied everything together. I was pleasantly surprised and impressed.
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Old August 1st 10, 06:16   #395
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Yeah I could see how that ending would have startled people.

However, it took about a second of thought to remember that it played out exactly as they said it would- they knew they were gonna die, they knew they were not taking down WF&H, just the Black Circle part of it. This happened.

In order for that all to make sense dramatically, though, we have to assume they all just died. So the only survivor of the major Angel show characters is Lorne.

I know there are other comics and books and whatever but I really hope none of the "canon" stuff that takes place after that moment has Angel, Gunn, or Spike in it.
However, I would like to see the adventure of Euro-Buffy that were hinted at...
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Old August 1st 10, 08:01   #396
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I'm going to talk openly about things that happen in the comics. If you don't want to be spoiled cause you just really want to read the comics, just ignore me. But I still can't help but to think the comics are not worth it. There's just too much weird and stupid.

So

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read at your own decision.



Sorry man, the comics have them surviving. I've read synopsi of the Angel comics, and from what I can remember of it all, the Senior Partners sent LA to Hell, where Angel & team fought for months or some such. Gunn ended up being turned into a vampire, I think by Angel. Spike and Lorne ended up becoming "Lords" of various areas of the city, or some such. Connor and Gwen ended up roaming the city fighting demons and vampires. Wesley ended up as some funky ghost attached to Wolfram & Hart something like Lilah was. And Fred ended up not actually being consumed, just incorporated into Illyria. Oh and Angel turns the dragon into a pet that he names Coredelia. They do their thing and eventually save LA from Hell.

As for the adventures of EuroBuffy, there are none. According to the Buffy comic, the person Angel and Spike see in Italy is a slayer, but not Buffy. She was specifically chosen by Andrew as a ruse because she looked so much like Buffy. Andrew's idea was that if "Buffy" were so visual, if she was out there partying for all the demons and vampires of the world to see and think they knew what she was doing, the real Buffy would be able to slog around the world with teams of slayers taking out demons and vampires without the demons and vampires knowing she was coming.

So yeah. Then there have been other stupid things in the comics. Like Dawn being a giant, literally, and then a robot, I think, and then a centaur. I don't remember why, or really care. Buffy turned lesbian for a short while to have sex/relationship/whatever with another slayer. Xander and Dawn became a couple. Willow and Kennedy are still together. Willow ended up having not actually killed Warren (which I don't know how that's supposed to work considering that we saw the First take on Warren's appearance, and it can only appear as people who've died); instead Amy used magic to keep him from dying while making it look like Willow had killed him. Harmony ended up using some stupid reality tv show to make the world come to view vampires as a persecuted minority. Buffy gained superhero comic style superpowers like flight and total invulnerability. And Buffy and Angel nearly destroyed the entire planet while having sex as the two of them were literally becoming gods.

So yeah, I think the stories of the comics are stupid

and worthy being mocked.



Anyway, I'm done with the comic spoilers.
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Old August 1st 10, 16:23   #397
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I've never even read a Star Trek book, so even though I enjoyed Buffy and Angel well enough I'm not going to hunt down and pay for comics.

So I went ahead and read your description, not surprised they ruined the Angel ending with it, and laughed at the comic-book shark-jumping cliche of making the hero able to fly (anyone else remember "cosmic" Spiderman?).

The idea of a fake Buffy partying it up is actually reasonable, though. Of course that would mean that Andrew was lying to Angel and Spike that Buffy was dating that Immortal dude, and why would he do that? At least, to Spike, who he was totally crushing on.
I was also wondering if Andrew's dates were in fact slayers and they were heading out to a mission. It was strongly implied he was gay anyway.

But yeah the rest sounds pretty silly (giant Dawn?!), but if you start typing out the plots of some Buffy/Angel stories it would look equally dumb (Franken-terminator-demon; god/hospital intern; singing demon; puppets wtf lol; etc).

Of course the real thing about comics is that they don't have the actors that were on the TV. Sounds silly but that kinda gets at the heart of what made Buffy work at its best.
Now that I'm done watching everything I may do a summary post on all of it, my total impressions, take-aways, etc, as I get my thought together.

Or I might check-out Dollhouse tonight.
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One thing about the suburb hell dimension I noticed I forgot to say: anyone else think that some of it was a David Lynch reference? The whole "American as apple pie" look on the surface with a dark horrible underbelly. There was a moment where the camera pans from Lindsey-then-Gunn's house to the van full of mercenaries and the music shifts from a major-key durge to a minor-key durge, like in Twin Peaks.

I checked out the first half-dozen eps of Dollhouse and I liked it, because Dushku is half-naked most of the time, and there are also many other attractive, scantily clad young women on display.
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Old August 12th 10, 20:01   #399
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Finished Dollhouse.

I love this show! Really well made, great cast for the most part (Sierra was the only character/actress that stuck out like a sore thumb, and of course f'd up beautiful mouth guy from Battlestar always annoys me, but everyone else rocked it), cool stories, good action sequences, and mind-bending plot twists.

And, um, Dushku.... wow. So, so almost-naked, constantly.

What did everyone think of the most major big plot twist at the end about

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the handler being the founder. I don't know if it makes any sense. I didn't quite get why he felt he had to put himself in danger like that, personally handling Echo, just to end up extracting her spinal fluid.
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Old August 12th 10, 20:27   #400
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Finished Dollhouse.

I love this show! Really well made, great cast for the most part (Sierra was the only character/actress that stuck out like a sore thumb, and of course f'd up beautiful mouth guy from Battlestar always annoys me, but everyone else rocked it), cool stories, good action sequences, and mind-bending plot twists.

And, um, Dushku.... wow. So, so almost-naked, constantly.

What did everyone think of the most major big plot twist at the end about

SPOILER ALERT SINCE THIS THREAD IS CALLED BUFFY AND THIS POST IS ABOUT DOLLHOUSE


the handler being the founder. I don't know if it makes any sense. I didn't quite get why he felt he had to put himself in danger like that, personally handling Echo, just to end up extracting her spinal fluid.
I was totally blown away by the twist.

It's a shame they didn't get another half season at least.

The second season was awesome, but, could've been stretched at least another 10-13 episodes and not felt stretched out, and actually could've become richer for it.

I think it's biggest drawback is that Whedon is known for his support of Girl Power, and he had to go so heavy on the Misogyny early on, to make the end payoff, that he lost too many female viewers.
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