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Old July 1st 02, 02:21   #51
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Re: Crusade episode order

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I think Sci-Fi overstepped their authority in claiming that the new order was how the series was meant to be seen.

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Well, Sci-Fi has been known to exaggerate, and besides, the Sci-Fi order is a whole lot better than the TNT order.


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Since the episodes do not exist the way they were meant to be seen, no one can show them the way they're meant to be seen.

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True. [img]/forums/images/icons/frown.gif[/img] There is no possible order of the existing 13 episodes which works perfectly. The existing 13 were also never meant to be seen back-to-back. TNT royally screwed the pooch (and the fans) here.
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Old July 1st 02, 02:43   #52
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Re: Crusade episode order

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I think Sci-Fi overstepped their authority in claiming that the new order was how the series was meant to be seen.

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They asked JMS for his preferred order, and that's the one they went with. When the creator of the series tells you this is the order he means for it to be seen in, that becomes "the way it was meant to be seen." The War Zone debate is, of course, irrelevant, since there is no such epiosde. [img]/forums/images/icons/smile.gif[/img]

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Old July 1st 02, 03:03   #53
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Re: Crusade episode order

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The War Zone debate is, of course, irrelevant, since there is no such epiosde. [img]/forums/images/icons/smile.gif[/img]

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Even though that's where your avatar comes from? [img]/forums/images/icons/grin.gif[/img]
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Old July 1st 02, 03:29   #54
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Re: Crusade episode order

>>Originally posted by Joseph DeMartino:
The War Zone debate is, of course, irrelevant, since there is no such epiosde.


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Even though that's where your avatar comes from?<<

I suppose since Joe said "The War Zone" episode doesn't exist, it it figment of my imagination so I'll have look and see what "I don't have on my hard disk and VHS tapes." [img]/forums/images/icons/laugh.gif[/img] [img]/forums/images/icons/laugh.gif[/img] [img]/forums/images/icons/laugh.gif[/img]
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Old July 1st 02, 22:11   #55
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Old July 2nd 02, 19:22   #56
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I watch War Zone mainly for the Max Eilerson screentime. [img]/forums/images/icons/grin.gif[/img]
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Old July 2nd 02, 19:32   #57
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That's the problem with B5 and Crusade. No matter how horrible an episode is, there is something redeeming in the "sub-plot" at least. If any one episode were just awful from start to finish, I could skip it. But even the &amp;#8220;Zarg&amp;#8221; episode had some great moments in the sub-plot for that week&amp;#8217;s ep.

I have trouble skipping any ep. I just groan through half of it, and pay attention during the other half. [img]/forums/images/icons/grin.gif[/img]
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Old July 2nd 02, 19:45   #58
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Me too. I'd never agree to have War Zone declared nonexistant, simply because the Max bits were just great.
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Old February 4th 03, 19:55   #59
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Re: Crusade episode order

I have to agree with those that say that the JMS order is not the best order. After seeing all the episodes once again, this time in the order Traveller approved of I find that there are several things that decide the order.

Dates puts 108 first, then 102 four months later and 104 in may.

Uniforms puts the necessary episode 113 before the black episodes, and those should be finished before returning to grey and red. JMS internal order of the black episodes is ok, but I see no reason to put grey episodes in beetween, if its not to send a message to TNT that I`m pissed, but they won`t notice so why bother.

The nanotech virus is invented in 102, mentioned in 105 and used in 110.

The Lochley Gideon relation starts in 111 with dinner, continues in 105 with a date and further evolves in 112.

To see examples of Gideon not leaving anybody behind before Dureena talks about it in 109 that episode should come towards the end.

Gideons box puts 103 up before 109 where we see how he gets it.

The suspense is best kept about Gideons connection to Cerberus if 101 is in the middle and 109 late.

If we then forgets about the june date shown, which I dont`t notice anyway, decide that dinner and a date are different things and that the black uniforms disappears offscreen, we have it.

By writing all this relations on post-its and juggle them around, and then place the not related episodes 107, 106 and 110 so that the Galen heavy episodes alternate, we arrive at a useful order, like this:

108 War zone (if its in, its here, january)
111 Ruling from the tomb (Lochley 1)
103 Racing the night (box 1)
101 The needs of Earth (Cerberus mentioned)
102 The memory of war (virus 1, 4 months later)
104 Visitors from down the street (13. may)
105 Each night I dream of home (Lochley 2, virus exists)
106 The well of forever
110 Patterns of the soul (use virus)
109 Path of sorrows (a lot is revealed)
112 Rules of the game (Lochley 3)
107 The long road
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I think your order doesn't contain "113 Appearances and Other Deceits" (uniform change). But I guess it can be places between 111 and 103 in your order. What do you think?
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