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Old August 14th 17, 14:26   #1
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Read Between The Episodes

So I decided to start a new thread that will be full of speculation about what might have happened between episodes. This is where I will postulate theories on what I think fans could assume might have been going on during those gaps between episodes. This is where I will imagine what was happening when we weren't told it was happening or had happened.

I will let people know once again that I have NOT read everything relating to B5. I know some stuff and I don't know some stuff, so when I speculate please don't hesitate to tell me I am wrong and tell me what really happened - Jan has been doing it to me for years. Like I said this will be speculation, but I imagine what I come up with will be some things we could all logically conclude might have happened in the time span between episodes. And maybe I'll even speculate about something that did actually happen in the time frame between episodes that I didn't know happened and someone can tell me I was right.

As stated, please feel free to correct me and add your own thoughts as well.
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Old August 14th 17, 21:01   #2
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Something I've always wondered about. Why the heck was Sheridan so easy to convince/persuade about the threat of the Shadows and that there was a war coming? The more I watch, the more I think that could have used some extra exhibition.
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Old August 14th 17, 21:58   #3
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Something I've always wondered about. Why the heck was Sheridan so easy to convince/persuade about the threat of the Shadows and that there was a war coming? The more I watch, the more I think that could have used some extra exhibition.
Definitely true, but I think you have to remember Spider in The Web, 2.6, where Sheridan mentions his hobby of collecting secrets. We don't know what secrets he's come across on his own that have pointed to the rise of the Shadows. We also know that he does have some secret conspiracy connection to Hague. We know they were monitoring what happened with Santiago, which means they might have had a hint that something else was going on with an unknown new player. I think these are points that can help fill in some answers when it comes to why Sheridan was so easy to convince about the threat of the Shadows. There was stuff going on in the background we weren't always told specifics about, but I feel like we were given hints. I certainly wish we had been given more specifics.
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Old August 15th 17, 06:54   #4
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Something I've always wondered about. Why the heck was Sheridan so easy to convince/persuade about the threat of the Shadows and that there was a war coming? The more I watch, the more I think that could have used some extra exhibition.
It might have something to do with the Icarus and his wife Anna going missing on the planet Z'ha'dum. Then he finds out that is where the Shadows have their home base. He would feel the Shadows were probably responsible and would want to find out more about them to make sure they were not a threat. I don't think it wouldn't take much convincing to get Sheridan to want to get involved.
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Old August 15th 17, 13:37   #5
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It might have something to do with the Icarus and his wife Anna going missing on the planet Z'ha'dum. Then he finds out that is where the Shadows have their home base. He would feel the Shadows were probably responsible and would want to find out more about them to make sure they were not a threat. I don't think it wouldn't take much convincing to get Sheridan to want to get involved.
Oh yes, definitely also an excellent point. When he learned it was Z'ha'dum, but he might have had his suspicions before that because he knew it was a planet out on The Rim. I think the point is that there were hints, but we all would have loved to see more details or explanation.
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Old August 16th 17, 02:46   #6
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The most glaring need for "reading between the episodes" is Sheridan's opinion of G'Kar in "The Long Twilight Struggle." Sheridan says that he doesn't want to go the next ten years without G'Kar's insight. But what insights? What wisdom? Yes, G'Kar was right about the Shadows, and yes, he'd just made a compelling speech in the council chambers about freedom, but most of the interactions we've seen between them at that point were about the Narn-Centauri War (and Narn-Centauri relations in general, as in their scene together early in "The Coming of Shadows").

But having seen the pearls of wisdom G'Kar produced for Catherine Sakai in "Mind War," it's easy to believe that G'Kar has been dispensing insights on a regular basis and we just don't get to see them.

Speaking of Catherine, we must also read between the episodes for her entire relationship with Sinclair. Gone between Mind War and Chrysalis! She and Ivanova have never met on screen before she asks Susan to be maid of honor! It's a pity -- I like Catherine.
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The most glaring need for "reading between the episodes" is Sheridan's opinion of G'Kar in "The Long Twilight Struggle." Sheridan says that he doesn't want to go the next ten years without G'Kar's insight. But what insights? What wisdom? Yes, G'Kar was right about the Shadows, and yes, he'd just made a compelling speech in the council chambers about freedom, but most of the interactions we've seen between them at that point were about the Narn-Centauri War (and Narn-Centauri relations in general, as in their scene together early in "The Coming of Shadows").

But having seen the pearls of wisdom G'Kar produced for Catherine Sakai in "Mind War," it's easy to believe that G'Kar has been dispensing insights on a regular basis and we just don't get to see them.
And don't forget that Sheridan and G'Kar were actually introduced and spent time together during the Earth-Minbari War. We have no clue what they discussed then or if they had subsequent discussions after that meeting. There is a segment I would love to see; Sheridan, Franklin, and G'Kar traveling to meet Lenonn. And what happened to them when they were released. Did they strike up a friendship? For all we know the three of them were pen pals from that point until they were reunited on B5.

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Speaking of Catherine, we must also read between the episodes for her entire relationship with Sinclair. Gone between Mind War and Chrysalis! She and Ivanova have never met on screen before she asks Susan to be maid of honor! It's a pity -- I like Catherine.
Yes it would have been nice to see more of an explanation. I mean honestly should could have gone to Minbar with Sinclair, but that was never her style.
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So I have been thinking about this. Should I start yet another re-watch and try to go episode by episode with this Read Between The Episodes? The one around The Gathering would have to be the pre-episode and between the episodes.
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Old August 22nd 17, 01:15   #9
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There's the gap between In the Beginning and the Gathering. How, exactly, were 1-3 taken down. And how were people convinced to keep building them? Did the Grey Council have some super-secret Valan prophecy that said to make darn sure they finished at least one of those things?

And is there anything canon on what happened to Takashima? Would have been cool if she got promoted to captain her own ship and if they had been able to get the actress back to help Sheridan retake Earth, or, more interestingly, fight against him.
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There's the gap between In the Beginning and the Gathering. How, exactly, were 1-3 taken down. And how were people convinced to keep building them? Did the Grey Council have some super-secret Valan prophecy that said to make darn sure they finished at least one of those things?
A very good question. I'm not sure if there is any specific info on who sabotaged the other stations, but I think reading between the lines of what we did learn on screen I'd have to assume it was an Earth First group. Shame JMS didn't give us more detail on the responsible party and whether or not they were ever brought to justice.

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And is there anything canon on what happened to Takashima? Would have been cool if she got promoted to captain her own ship and if they had been able to get the actress back to help Sheridan retake Earth, or, more interestingly, fight against him.
I am pretty tired and not thinking too clearly, but I believe Takashima and Kyle were reassigned because of the Kosh incident, just like Lyta. Earth wanted to know all they knew about the Vorlon. Reading between the lines you have to remember they crossed a pretty big line, so maybe the Vorlons pressured Earth to punish them in some way. The Vorlon's weren't going to mess with Sinclair's path, but they might have wanted some retribution for being disobeyed. But like I said, I believe it is mentioned they were reassigned because of what they learned. Can't remember specifics right now.
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