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Old August 24th 14, 18:55   #31
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I'm still disappointed we don't yet have a continuity correct B5 porn parody. Trek has one... grumble...
I'm disappointed that we haven't had a continuation and resolution of Crusade in ANY form and that TNT-Atlanta hasn't been swallowed by a sinkhole.
I think JMS held onto hopes of addressing that story and the telepath war on screen somehow. Now it's too late.
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Old August 24th 14, 19:20   #32
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I'm still disappointed we don't yet have a continuity correct B5 porn parody. Trek has one... grumble...
I'm disappointed that we haven't had a continuation and resolution of Crusade in ANY form and that TNT-Atlanta hasn't been swallowed by a sinkhole.
Maybe those audio dramas will happen EVENTUALLY! (not sexy ones... the ones JMS promoised with the rest of the Crusade WTHH books)
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Old August 24th 14, 21:19   #33
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I'm still disappointed we don't yet have a continuity correct B5 porn parody. Trek has one... grumble...
I'm disappointed that we haven't had a continuation and resolution of Crusade in ANY form and that TNT-Atlanta hasn't been swallowed by a sinkhole.
I think JMS held onto hopes of addressing that story and the telepath war on screen somehow. Now it's too late.
That's why I wish we could have it in novel form, I could imagine the actors as they were in 1999. For new roles, I'd cast appropriate actors who I think would fit, e.g. Eric Etebari as Elizar in the Technomage trilogy.



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I'm still disappointed we don't yet have a continuity correct B5 porn parody. Trek has one... grumble...
I'm disappointed that we haven't had a continuation and resolution of Crusade in ANY form and that TNT-Atlanta hasn't been swallowed by a sinkhole.
Maybe those audio dramas will happen EVENTUALLY! (not sexy ones... the ones JMS promoised with the rest of the Crusade WTHH books)
In the fullness of time, I guess. It's been almost 15 years since Crusade's last episode was shown in first run. Hopefully, it won't take another 15 years for the the rest of the Crusade What the HELL Happened books to come out.
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Old August 24th 14, 22:11   #34
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I'm disappointed that we haven't had a continuation and resolution of Crusade in ANY form and that TNT-Atlanta hasn't been swallowed by a sinkhole.
I think JMS held onto hopes of addressing that story and the telepath war on screen somehow. Now it's too late.
That's why I wish we could have it in novel form, I could imagine the actors as they were in 1999. For new roles, I'd cast appropriate actors who I think would fit, e.g. Eric Etebari as Elizar in the Technomage trilogy.


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Maybe those audio dramas will happen EVENTUALLY! (not sexy ones... the ones JMS promoised with the rest of the Crusade WTHH books)
In the fullness of time, I guess. It's been almost 15 years since Crusade's last episode was shown in first run. Hopefully, it won't take another 15 years for the the rest of the Crusade What the HELL Happened books to come out.
Given the pace and amount of projects JMS is tied into, I think it could be a while! I'm not even that fussed about the rest of the WTHH books (even the first one felt like a bit of a stretch to me, and too padded out), but those audio dramas, I definitely like to hear them.
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Old August 25th 14, 16:33   #35
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Keep in mind that the audio dramas will be for the two unproduced JMS scripts only - not new material.

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Yeah, they can't be new material in Babylon 5 or Crusade because Warner Brothers owns all of Babylon 5 and Crusade except theatrical movie rights.
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Old August 25th 14, 19:01   #37
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I honestly don't know. I really can't think of anything that could have been done better in the original series other than the SFX, which IMHO weren't the most important part of the original series. While I would love to see more B5 and would love to see it on the big screen with even cooler modern day SFX, I'd prefer it to be a continuation of the original series rather than a reboot. I mean, how can one improve on an already basically perfect show? And there are still plenty of unexplored areas of the series such as the Telepath War and Drakh War that don't exist on screen. While one or two roles might need to be recast (i.e. Dr. Franklin, G'Kar), it could still be done and the age of the key actors/actresses shouldn't matter a whole lot since both events happen in the near-to-far future of the series. The obvious problem, however, is drawing in enough new viewers and maintaining the fans. As somebody else suggested, rebooting Crusade wouldn't be such a bad idea since it barely got started. It's one thing to take a failed TV show like Battlestar Galactica and reboot it decades later and make it a success. I don't know how you can take what was a relatively successful show that had five seasons and several TV movies and add anything more to it other than telling more related stories. *shrug*

I don't know how JMS plans to reboot B5 into a movie-length feature film.
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I honestly don't know. I really can't think of anything that could have been done better in the original series other than the SFX, which IMHO weren't the most important part of the original series. While I would love to see more B5 and would love to see it on the big screen with even cooler modern day SFX, I'd prefer it to be a continuation of the original series rather than a reboot. I mean, how can one improve on an already basically perfect show? And there are still plenty of unexplored areas of the series such as the Telepath War and Drakh War that don't exist on screen. While one or two roles might need to be recast (i.e. Dr. Franklin, G'Kar), it could still be done and the age of the key actors/actresses shouldn't matter a whole lot since both events happen in the near-to-far future of the series. The obvious problem, however, is drawing in enough new viewers and maintaining the fans. As somebody else suggested, rebooting Crusade wouldn't be such a bad idea since it barely got started. It's one thing to take a failed TV show like Battlestar Galactica and reboot it decades later and make it a success. I don't know how you can take what was a relatively successful show that had five seasons and several TV movies and add anything more to it other than telling more related stories. *shrug*
I don't know how JMS plans to reboot B5 into a movie-length feature film.
B5 was without doubt one of the best SF series ever made, but it definitely wasn’t perfect. I won’t go into the ins and outs of where I think it fell down, but we all know the show had its flaws. I mean, I kinda love those flaws too, because they’re part and parcel of the B5 experience, but flawed it was.

However, the main point I wanted to make was that I don’t think a reboot would necessarily be about improving upon the old show, or putting things to right that JMS wasn’t happy with. I don’t think he’s interested in that type of ‘George Lucas-esque’ revisionism. I’m speculating here, but I think JMS would keep the basic premise and universe, but he’d be telling a different story, with twists and turns even a seasoned B5 fan wouldn’t see coming, I think JMS has too much respect for B5 for it to be a ‘do over’. Everything he’s said so far, seems to indicate something more inventive than what we consider a ‘reboot’ to be.

I also tend to feel that some events left untold were meant to stay that way. When I get to really thinking about it, I’m unsure if the Telepath War would make that interesting a film or mini series. There’s not an awful lot of mystery or suspense to be had there, and I never really had any burning desire to see it explored in that much depth. If the Byron arc was anything to go by, JMS really didn’t have that much in the way of quality material relating to telepaths.

IF, for instance, the Telepath War had been worked into the overall arc of B5, it might have been quite good, but the interest would lie in how it affected the crew of B5 and the station as a whole. As a stand alone entity, not so much. I did my best to re-imagine it as a central conflict in my Reboot proposal earlier in this thread. See what you make of that.

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If there is a reboot, does that mean the whole Sinclair-becomes-Valen thing?

I always found that to be one of the most amazing parts of the show. And one of the best plot twists, ever.
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I always found that to be one of the most amazing parts of the show. And one of the best plot twists, ever.
Hard to say really... It's anyone's best guess what the arc would be. I'm still convinced JMS wouldn't be content to simply tell the same story again. Although, a LOT of his B5 themes and material does get recycled into his earlier comics work, sometimes almost verbatim.
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