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Old June 26th 11, 04:18   #21
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Re: EpDis: There All The Honor Lies

Could the Gregorian chant be music's Swedish Meatballs?

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Old June 26th 11, 13:52   #22
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Old June 26th 11, 23:46   #23
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Hmm.

The pak'ma'ra sing on Babylon 5.

The Ood sing on Doctor Who.

What is it about singing tentacle-faces?
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Old June 27th 11, 10:32   #24
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They are strangely compelling
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So...this isn't an established fact? Damn, I thought this was a foregone conclusion. Now I have to face the possibility it's a silly Fanboi interpretation?
It's not anything verified via JMS or the script, no. But I've always felt is was the pak'ma'ra, too. Why they were doing a Gregorian chant is anybody's guess, not to mention why they did it regularly enough that we heard them singing it again in "Passing through Gethsemane".

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I, too, have always thought it was the pak'ma'ra. In part, I thought that the "lesson" was that these ugly, disgusting carrion-eaters, looked down on by others, were capable of manifesting such beauty.
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Old June 28th 11, 09:26   #26
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Nicely put.
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Old July 23rd 18, 14:16   #27
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Wow! Good discussion. I never placed it as being Pak'Ma'Ra, but I definitely see the reasoning.

So on my scale I rate THERE ALL THE HONOR LIES as an 'A' Episode. It has some weak moments, but I feel it also has some outstanding moments. My biggest disappointment with the episode is that the Emporium doesn't last past this episode. I loved that concept and it shocks me JMS only allowed it to last one episode. I understand that he might not have wanted it to seem like they were pushing merchandise, but still it was a great set and I would have bought out the entire store. Such a great set and such a good idea should have lasted. Plus I look at that sign and it reminds me of the TNT Mall Tour and what might have been. It also reminds me of all the Official Fan Club Merchandise I missed out on. And BTW, there is a T-Shirt visible in the outer kiosk of the Emporium that I'm pretty sure was available for a time. Others would know better than I do, but my crazy memory keeps saying it was actually a t-shirt you could buy back then. Of course, my memory could just be remembering that "5" symbol because it was always one of my favorite Babylon 5 emblems.

The Vir stuff is great. We get another instance of Londo having to deal with a situation his ambition and ego have created. I love hearing what Vir is dealing with.

The Sheridan/Minbari stuff is pretty good. I REALLY like that Lennier conducting his own investigation. I love the moment of perfect beauty for what it is and for how absolutely out of left field it is. And one of my favorite parts of it is the shot of Kosh just standing in the disheveled corridor listening. I feel like he could easily clean up that mess. Plus the orientation of the shot makes me think of the shock of a random Lurker coming around the corner and just seeing the Vorlon standing in that corridor.

BTW, have I mentioned lately how much I love the Babylon 5 encyclopedia?! Well I do!
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Old July 24th 18, 13:47   #28
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I forgot to add two things.

I love the Lennier investigation because of the interaction with Garibaldi, but I also love it because it gives us some slight glimpse into where Lennier is coming from. And I think I love this aspect most because it is a reminder that for all of their fancy intentions Minbari will lie. I think that is a great thing about this episode. It is a reminder that the Minbari strive for this honorable moral cultural ideal, but that becomes a struggle when the realities of life get in the way.

The second thing is
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