B5TV.COM. Babylon 5 forums Babylon 5 message for the fans from Claudia Christian Babylon 5
Old June 12th 10, 00:55   #1
Redbo6982
Lurker
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Posts: 1
Logical Insanity

Okay my first post i'm probably gonna make some hardcore fans mad, but I love this show and I just have to point out some small illogical consistencies. First off in "In the beginning" in first contact, on a mission with a possibility of first contact we know the centauri and the membari have had contact so any message sent to the membari should have been in an alien language to which they've had contact with, that avoids the war all together, secondly after sheridans victory with the nuke, by the battle of the line we should have know the membari fleets optimum firing range and earth space should have been lined with nuclear weapons to decimate their fleet. If you disagree agree or have anymore illogical inconsistencies you'd like to discuss please reply
Redbo6982 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old June 12th 10, 01:28   #2
vacantlook
Moderator
 
vacantlook's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2003
Location: Virginia
Posts: 11,891
Re: Logical Insanity

Regarding the first contact incident: the Earth ship wasn't sent to make contact. They were sent to just check out the very outter edge of Minbari space, scan the area, and report back. They had been specifically ordered to not go any further, but the captain of the ship was arrogant and greedy and wanted beaucoup de military metals, so he pushed the ship in further than the mission had been constructed for.
vacantlook is offline   Reply With Quote
Old June 13th 10, 08:10   #3
Jade Jaguar
First One
 
Jade Jaguar's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2001
Location: Ann Arbor, Mi, USA
Posts: 9,727
Re: Logical Insanity

Sheridan's victory was such a simple trick, I can't see the Minbari falling for it again. They would just detect the nukes, and destroy them at a distance.
__________________
"Those who would give up essential liberty
to purchase a little temporary safety
deserve neither liberty nor safety."
Benjamin Franklin 1775

"I know that the hypnotized never lie... Do ya?"
Pete Townshend 1971

FREE LEONARD PELTIER
Jade Jaguar is offline   Reply With Quote
Old June 15th 10, 10:22   #4
GaribaldisHair
First One
 
GaribaldisHair's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2001
Location: Hull, England
Posts: 1,272
Re: Logical Insanity

Quote:
Originally Posted by Redbo6982 View Post
... earth space should have been lined with nuclear weapons to decimate their fleet. If you disagree agree or have anymore illogical inconsistencies you'd like to discuss please reply
Do you have any idea how many nuclear weapons that would take? We are talking many thousands of miles of space in 3 dimensions all around the Earth at probably a fair distance. Even if they had wanted to do this, I doubt that Earth had the money or infrastructure to produce or buy in anything like enough nuclear warheads to cover even a proportion of the sky. Not to mention how long it would take to put them into place.

And that is to ignore the hyperspace issue ...

Place the nuclear weapons too far away from Earth and the Minbari ships simply bypass them by jumping out of hyperspace inside the "ring of death".

OTOH, place them too close and the Minbari ships simply sit outside the ring and pound Earth and its ships from there.

Sounds to me like too much time, effort, energy and money expended for potentially little or no protection.
__________________
DaveC

Cake or death?
GaribaldisHair is offline   Reply With Quote
Old June 16th 10, 03:58   #5
Jade Jaguar
First One
 
Jade Jaguar's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2001
Location: Ann Arbor, Mi, USA
Posts: 9,727
Re: Logical Insanity

Where ever they were placed, the Minbari, now knowing of their existence, would scan for them, and destroy them from a safe distance. Booby traps only work once, unless you really are a booby, and the Minbari weren't boobies.
__________________
"Those who would give up essential liberty
to purchase a little temporary safety
deserve neither liberty nor safety."
Benjamin Franklin 1775

"I know that the hypnotized never lie... Do ya?"
Pete Townshend 1971

FREE LEONARD PELTIER
Jade Jaguar is offline   Reply With Quote
Old June 25th 10, 12:28   #6
vorlonlovechild
Commander
 
vorlonlovechild's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: Farsley, West Yorkshire, UK
Posts: 103
Re: Logical Insanity

Dukhat was at fault for not revealing the information passed to him by Kosh about the humans to Delenn earlier, which in turn would have allowed her to put things into place to avoid any potential conflict. He kept the information to himself, possibly at the insistance of the two vorlons and the rest.................well you know what happened.

As far as the nukes are concerned, I always thought they fell for it because they were so focused on killing humans, they gave very little regard to anything else..
__________________
I Used to be Circular Reason on JMS News in another life. Time flys eh?
vorlonlovechild is offline   Reply With Quote
Old September 28th 10, 20:45   #7
Boredom
Lurker
 
Join Date: Sep 2010
Posts: 24
Re: Logical Insanity

Quote:
Originally Posted by vorlonlovechild View Post
Dukhat was at fault for not revealing the information passed to him by Kosh about the humans to Delenn earlier, which in turn would have allowed her to put things into place to avoid any potential conflict. He kept the information to himself, possibly at the insistance of the two vorlons and the rest.................well you know what happened.
Without Earth-Minbari war, there wouldn't be any Babylon stations. No Valen, and Minbari would lost the first Shadow war.

Perhaps Vorlon knew it beforehand that Dukhat would be killed, and there would be a holy war. They just played it to their favor.

Quote:
Originally Posted by vorlonlovechild View Post
As far as the nukes are concerned, I always thought they fell for it because they were so focused on killing humans, they gave very little regard to anything else..
As Londo said, "Arrogance goeth before the fall."
Boredom is offline   Reply With Quote
Old September 29th 10, 17:32   #8
KoshFan
Soul Hunter
 
KoshFan's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: The upper left-hand corner of the US
Posts: 10,544
Re: Logical Insanity

The Vorlons were operating on what Valen had told them to do. There had to be an Earth-Minbari War because, among other things, from Valen's perspective it had already happened. If the Vorlons had done anything else, they would have been changing the past. Even if that past hadn't happened yet.
__________________
Know what you do.

The Generous Grasp
KoshFan is offline   Reply With Quote
Old October 5th 10, 09:41   #9
maneth
Ambassador
 
maneth's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2007
Location: Earth
Posts: 240
Re: Logical Insanity

Time travel gives me a headache...
__________________
"Summoned, I come. In Valen's name I take the place that has been prepared for me. I am Grey. I stand between the candle and the star. We are Grey. We stand between the darkness and the light."
- Delenn in Grey Council: "Babylon Squared"
maneth is offline   Reply With Quote
Old October 5th 10, 16:40   #10
babylon1122
Ambassador
 
babylon1122's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2003
Location: British Columbia
Posts: 474
Re: Logical Insanity

Migraine proportion
__________________
JC
babylon1122 is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Tags
battle of the line, human, in the beginning, inconsistencies, membari

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT. The time now is 23:21.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.5
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
2001 - 2008 B5TV.COM