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Old April 5th 06, 16:24   #11
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Re: EpDis: Falling Toward Apotheosis

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The only time she did a poor job was the episode on Mars when they are freeing Garibaldi. She goes on a bit being a good liar etc. I felt embarrased watching that, it was pretty terrible, but I guess part of that was probably the writing as well (sorry JMS).
Hmmmm, I liked her in that. Pat as Lyta seemed genuinely peeved and at the same time, caught off-balance and a novice at those kinds of interactions. It was a kinda funny. She's this super-powered teep who's acting like a regular person who's just had a joke played on her, and it went right over her head.
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Old April 6th 06, 05:53   #12
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She IS a bad liar, though. That's why she was acting all squirlly when she was leading Ulkesh to doom.

And that's why she couldn't lie to Sheridan when she blew up Z'Ha'Dum. And it was Franklin who gulped. I just saw that episode again and I made sure to pay attention. Durn doctors....
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Old April 14th 06, 12:13   #13
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I love this episode. Out of all the episodes, this one best portrays the epic, galaxy-wide war and looming devastation better than any other. The Vorlons with their planet killer, the army of light massing at B5, colonies and worlds all across the Galaxy falling, Ivanova announcing it all live on air, the defeat of Ulkesh and Londo's line to Sheridan: "Good luck to all of us" spells out how dire the situation is, but how the younger races are becoming united in their darkest hour. Plus perhaps the most chilling ending to an episode ever. Superb stuff, A star.
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Old April 14th 06, 16:51   #14
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Well said, Springer!
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Old April 14th 06, 17:19   #15
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Excellant as stated above vorlon VS vorlon what could be better.
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Old November 19th 07, 17:22   #16
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I really liked this one for many of the reasons stated above.

I'm giving it an A.

One question I'm hoping someone hear could answer. While Kosh and Ulkesh formerly had a respect for each other, it's clear to me that Kosh realized that Ulkesh had to be stopped.

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Kosh went with the new vorlon into the ship, and that final blast was what did the job ultimately.


My question is about the "final blast." What caused it? B5 didn't shoot it. Does that mean that Kosh self destructed the ship somehow to destroy Ulkesh (and likely prevent immediately retaliation on B5). What exactly went on that caused the ship to blow and kill Kosh and Ulkesh? I'm assuming Kosh did it, but is there any clarification on this?
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Old November 20th 07, 14:15   #17
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My only question is, where do you lot get 'Ulkesh' from?! :s

Pat Tallman = terrible actor a lot of the time. No timing either. But she makes up for it with that stare and those black lenses she gives - Top.

Anyway good episode. Pleased that we get to see what Vorlons really look like and not being left with some fantastical uber-nerdy stuff...
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Old November 20th 07, 14:55   #18
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My only question is, where do you lot get 'Ulkesh' from?! :s
The Vorlon's real name was Ulkesh.

-JMS confirmed this and it is quoted in one of the Lurker's Guide pages.
-IMDB actually sites Ardwight Chamberlain as Ulkesh for those episodes
-The book "To Dream in the City of Sorrows" gives us his real name.
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Old November 20th 07, 17:01   #19
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Ah right, so you need to be a nerd to know that.

I think I'll stick with what was only told in the official story and use Kosh or Kosh II ta...
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Old November 20th 07, 19:42   #20
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I think I'll stick with what was only told in the official story and use Kosh or Kosh II....
The novel To Dream In The City Of Sorrows is official story; it's one of the several novels that jms has deemed canon (plus, it was written by his wife if I'm not mistaken). And when jms talks about something B5 in an official way in his online correspondence with fans, it has the same weight as if it was in an episode. Here's the returned results of searching for "Ulkesh" in the archive of his online posts.
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