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View Poll Results: The River Of Souls
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April 12th 07, 15:09
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Re: EpDis: The River Of Souls
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The only other role that Martin Sheen played off better was Robert E. Lee in Gettysburg.
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Um...dude... what?
two words: Apocolypse Now
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April 12th 07, 19:14
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Re: EpDis: The River Of Souls
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Um...dude... what?
two words: Apocolypse Now
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The Dead Zone (1983)
The Final Countdown (1980)
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April 13th 07, 05:33
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Re: EpDis: The River Of Souls
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The Dead Zone (1983)
The Final Countdown (1980)
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I'm sorry I said that Martin Sheen was best in Gettysburg but I just haven't had the opportunity to see the other films just yet. I'm just going on the films that I've seen him in like Spawn, Gettysburg and of course River of Souls. I may even think that he did great in Apocalypse Now but I'm personally raising my bar with Robert E. Lee..IMHO
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April 13th 07, 15:56
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Re: EpDis: The River Of Souls
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Originally Posted by KoshN
The Dead Zone (1983)
The Final Countdown (1980)
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I loved the Final Countdown, even if the Captain of the ship nearly caused a paradox... purely out of patriotic spirit.
Although that would actually be impossible in our current understanding of time theory because if there is only one universe... it is impossible to change what has already happened... and if there is more than one universe, the events you thought you were altering would in fact be happening in an entirely different universe.
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April 14th 07, 04:52
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Re: EpDis: The River Of Souls
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I loved the Final Countdown, even if the Captain of the ship nearly caused a paradox... purely out of patriotic spirit.
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"Crusade" (1999) - "War Zone"
Max Eilerson: "The story of my life. I finally find a city like this, intact, deserted for ten thousand years. Probably contains hundreds of patents that I could exploit and I'm going to die. I can appreciate dramatic irony as much as the next person, but this is pushing it a bit."
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July 14th 08, 04:34
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Re: EpDis: The River Of Souls
I gave this a C.
It really wasn't at all interesting. And while it was nice they did something with the Soul Hunter arc there isn't a lot to be excited about in this episode for me. It's cute in places, but it is still my least favorite of the original set of B5 movies.
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July 14th 08, 04:56
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Re: EpDis: The River Of Souls
Many agree with you on that point, myself included. And they had a good guest star to work with, and completely wasted him. Martin Sheen often plays rather subdued characters, but this one seemed... drugged.
An interesting premise that didn't unfold as entertainingly as I'd have hoped. I'm not sure why, either, but it just didn't seem to stand up to the rest of the series or the tv-movies.
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July 14th 08, 21:56
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Re: EpDis: The River Of Souls
I think that "The River Of Souls" would not be a bad story for an episode.Perhaps one of the reasons why we didn't like it much was that it was decided as a movie so the fans expected more from it.I personally didn't understand why so much prescious time of the film was taken showing that silly bar for virtual sex.
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July 18th 08, 04:03
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Re: EpDis: The River Of Souls
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I think that "The River Of Souls" would not be a bad story for an episode.Perhaps one of the reasons why we didn't like it much was that it was decided as a movie so the fans expected more from it.I personally didn't understand why so much prescious time of the film was taken showing that silly bar for virtual sex.
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Probably because it could have worked as a 45 minute episode.
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September 29th 08, 17:42
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Re: EpDis: The River Of Souls
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I gave this a C.
It really wasn't at all interesting. And while it was nice they did something with the Soul Hunter arc there isn't a lot to be excited about in this episode for me. It's cute in places, but it is still my least favorite of the original set of B5 movies.
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Upon first viewing, it was also my least favorite of:
- The Gathering
- In the Beginning
- Thirdspace
- The River of Souls
- A Call to Arms
...but since that time, it's grown on me and I find that I now like it more than Thirdspace. "To Live and Die in Starlight" came along in January 2002 to strongly claim the bottom spot on my list. And no, I don't call the Lost Tales thing a movie; it's more like a couple of tenuously connected B-threads, not even an entire, traditional B5 episode, let alone a "movie." If I was going to rank them all, including Lost Tales, it'd go like this, from best to worst:
- In the Beginning - A
- A Call to Arms - A
- The Gathering - B-
- The River of Souls - C+
- Thirdspace - C- (mainly a CGI fest)
- Babylon 5 - The Lost Tales - Over There - C- (because it was so thin.)
- Babylon 5 - The Lost Tales - Over Here - D
- To Live and Die in Starlight - F
I find that at least, The River of Souls looks like a Babylon 5 story (unlike "To Live and Die in Starlight" and to a certain extent Babylon 5 - The Lost Tales.). Also, I think this is one of Scoggins' best performances as Lochley. However, Martin Sheen's character, as Hypatia said, seemed drugged. I also thought the Ian McShane and Richard Biggs did very well in their roles. Not bad.
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Originally Posted by hypatia
Many agree with you on that point, myself included. And they had a good guest star to work with, and completely wasted him. Martin Sheen often plays rather subdued characters, but this one seemed... drugged.
An interesting premise that didn't unfold as entertainingly as I'd have hoped. I'm not sure why, either, but it just didn't seem to stand up to the rest of the series or the tv-movies.
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Look at that opening in The River of Souls. THAT'S a B5 story.  Now, go look at To Live and DIe in Starlight or Babylon 5- The Lost Tales - Over Here. Those two don't stand up to The River of Souls.
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Originally Posted by Truth_Seeker
I think that "The River Of Souls" would not be a bad story for an episode.Perhaps one of the reasons why we didn't like it much was that it was decided as a movie so the fans expected more from it.I personally didn't understand why so much prescious time of the film was taken showing that silly bar for virtual sex.
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Probably because it could have worked as a 45 minute episode.
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No, that was just the B-thread, the minor story, and so it's traditional B5, plus, it's funny.
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