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View Poll Results: In The Beginning
A -- Excellent 32 71.11%
B -- Good 9 20.00%
C -- Average 2 4.44%
D -- Poor 0 0%
F -- Failure 2 4.44%
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Old March 17th 07, 18:19   #21
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It kind of reminds me of that episode in Crusade where it was made to look as though Matheson was pretty much single-handedly responsible for the outcome of the telepath war. I guess more might have been made of it later (Sinclair was pretty much single-handedly responsible for ending the Earth Minbari war, after all), but it still seemed to come out of nowhere.
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Old March 17th 07, 23:07   #22
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So you get a prequel movie featuring a whole bunch of new characters we don't know, don't care about and are doomed never to even be mentioned in the show (since you have already made 4 seasons of it without mentioning them). Reducing all of the series' characters to the level of Sinclair's cameo would (for me) render the whole project redundant, not to mention how disjointed it would get by repeatedly cutting back from the main narrative (which doesn't now feature Sheridan and the others) to show the incidents already established as having taken place during the Minbari War ... Sheridan taking out the Black Star, Ivanova losing her Brother, Franklin refusing to hand over his notes etc.

I agree it is a stretch, but I don't really think it could have been done any other way.

Well I think for the MOST part, they did things right. First off, part of the reason for the movie was to SEE what our heroes from the series did in the Earth-Minbari War. We heard about it, but this is putting all the pieces together in one tale.

* Sheridan taking out the Blackstar
* Franklin refusing to hand over his notes
* Delenn's role in the Grey Council
* Sinclair in the Battle of the Line
* GKar selling Weapons with the Narn
* Invanova losing her brother

All those were mentioned in the series. Where they sort of stretched things a bit, was with the added parts that those characters ALSO ended up doing.

Mainly, Franklin and Sheridan being there at the attempted "peace offering" meeting that the Centauri foiled. That to me was an unnecessary stretch. They could have had ANY two Earth people meet GKar (who was a series regular) and Lenon (who was a main character in this movie) and it would have been fine. But for Sheridan and Franklin to also be the ones to go seemed to much for them to do in the War. Couple that with the fact that Franklin doesn't seem to have met Sheridan when he arrived at B5, yet he served with him in a crucial part of the War, and was brought to a Minbari Cruiser with him. Yea, I think after all that, you remember a guy. In fact, they both would have probably remembered GKar.

They should have just let that part be done by someone else.

I do think the additions that Londo did in the War were good, and very believable.
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Old March 18th 07, 14:45   #23
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I think In the Beginning isn't bad for what it is, a 90-minute TV movie trying to tell the story of a two-year long interstellar war. I think its short length is one of its main problems, trying to cram in the war film aspect of humanity's battle for survival, the Minbari's search for meaning which they express through war with Earth when they should be expressing it against the Shadows, and setting up and referencing various plot points from the series, is really too much for ninety minutes. There's so much going on that some parts feel forced in an effort to fit it all in and make sense. Now, if they could have made it a three hour epic, they could have fleshed things out a lot more and wouldn't have had to rely on unlikely cameos from the main cast.

I really liked the way they used Londo as the hook into the story, and the ending is spine tingling, even though we know what is going to happen. I don't think it is a very good introduction to the series – too many spoilers – but watching it after the series I think is more rewarding.

My second favourite TV movie, after A Call to Arms.
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Old March 18th 07, 15:27   #24
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I'm not sure I agree. I don't think making it longer would have helped. As I stated above, I've always thought there was already a lot of dialogue for what it was. Its pacing seemed very slow at times. However, I think it DID very well bring out all of the emotion for humanities fight for survival. The last 15-20min is very powerful. The series TALKED about those events but actually seeing them was far more impactful. I think to add too much more to the time would have really taken away from this.

As it was, it was clearly meant for those who had seen the series. Sure, first time viewers could watch it and get enjoyment out of it, but not all the attachment and emotion as someone who watched 4 years of B5.
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Old April 1st 07, 07:20   #25
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Amazing episode..
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Old April 5th 07, 09:28   #26
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The best of the B5 movies. It was interesting to see how the Earth, Mimbari war came about and its sudden end. Yes, it seems to drag at points but the key to the movie was Londo. To see his fate and not just a glimpse here or there. When he touched the ladys hand and said, all he wanted was just five minutes on a beach somewhere with her. You could see the sadness in his face and the acceptance of his fate all in just that one moment. ITB and SIL are the two that I can never grow tired of watching.

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Old April 12th 07, 06:23   #27
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My favorite of all of the movies.

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Same here, my favorite by far. It's hard to imagine the B5 universe without it.
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ItB was also my favorite of the movies. Excellent stuff!
Oviously there are others that I could quote from but for now I have to agree that In The Beginning is by far the best of all 5 movies. I'm sure most of you all know this but initially JMS would have rather the fans watched ITB before The Gathering.

I know there are people out there that would be upset that there are some spoilers but my ex-girlfriend would have never watched all 5 seasons of B5 if it hadn't been for the watching ITB first. Yes, there are a couple spoilers but like a puzzle the spoilers are so minute that for me as a fan I want to find out what happens that leads to the answers to the questions JMS always asks in each episode. Then of course by the master list watch The Gathering, Midnight on the Firing Line and Soul Hunter..so on.
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Old April 12th 07, 09:23   #28
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In watching through for the first time, I like the idea that come in to season two, one shouldn't feel too secure regarding Sheridan. Garibaldi's line, "I don't know you," is an excellent demonstration through a character what I think an audience member should be feeling at that point in the story. To watch "In The Beginning" before the series takes away that feeling of having had a foundation of Sinclair established and then to have it ripped out; one can't feel uncertain alongside the characters regarding Sheridan's place in the story.
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In watching through for the first time, I like the idea that come in to season two, one shouldn't feel too secure regarding Sheridan. Garibaldi's line, "I don't know you," is an excellent demonstration through a character what I think an audience member should be feeling at that point in the story. To watch "In The Beginning" before the series takes away that feeling of having had a foundation of Sinclair established and then to have it ripped out; one can't feel uncertain alongside the characters regarding Sheridan's place in the story.
I don't agree..oviously we all have a different take on the whole show but JMS did create the show to have some lineage of some sorts. Of course not withstanding renewing the show every season..I love watching Sinclair grow as a character and then of course with the assassination of President Santiago and then having him going to Minbar getting the Rangers secretly get ready for the shadow war and of course in reincarnation as Valen in the 2 part War Without End episodes.

I think Sinclair had his time on the show that was very important but again with Zathras quoting "Sinclair is The One who was, Delenn is The One who is, and Sheridan is The One who will be" it was time for Sheridan to take over the reigns of the station and let his path in life take shape.

Again I'm not here to change your opinion but that's just my take.
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I think Sinclair had his time on the show that was very important but again with Zathras quoting "Sinclair is The One who was, Delenn is The One who is, and Sheridan is The One who will be" it was time for Sheridan to take over the reigns of the station and let his path in life take shape.

Again I'm not here to change your opinion but that's just my take.
I'm not sure you understand my opinion. I'm not saying that Sinclair should have stayed around; I'm not saying that Sheridan should never have come into the picture. I'm saying watching "In The Beginning" before the series itself deprives one of experiencing the apprehension of Sheridan's taking over because one then already knows Sheridan from having watched ITB. Like Garibaldi in the story, one shouldn't feel all that comfortable with Sheridan at first. One's trust in him has to be built through exposure as one watches him more and more, but to already know him from having watched ITB prevents one from having that experience.
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