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Old December 27th 06, 01:49   #21
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...As far as he's concerned, the end justifies the means as long as the end is for telepaths to run things.
I (still) haven't read the telepath trilogy, so I don't know if this is there addressed, but... I wonder if Bester would think the end justified the means if the means were his own death.
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Old December 27th 06, 02:30   #22
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And as long as Bester and those he approves of are running the telepaths.

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Old December 27th 06, 15:41   #23
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The distribution of teep abilities is probably described by a bell curve like most such things, with the very weak and the very stong being rare at either end and the vast majority in the middle.
I don't quite buy this, Joe. Surely there were plenty of P1s and P0s (to coin a ranking for the likes of Ivanova) running around. Yeah, they weren't really involved in the Corps -- just monitored, maybe given the sleepers -- but they would still count as Teeps, and I'd think that there would be lots of them, with the genes only just barely expressing.
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Old December 27th 06, 19:42   #24
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Re: EpDis: The Corps Is Mother, The Corps Is Father

Lyta's mother was a P2, as a child she was kicked out of the Psi Corps to be brought up by mundane members of the Alexander family.

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Bester did kill the girl Psi Cop. In the third telepath book she make the mistake of helping Bester create a new identity.[/SPOILER]
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Old December 27th 06, 19:57   #25
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The distribution of teep abilities is probably described by a bell curve like most such things, with the very weak and the very stong being rare at either end and the vast majority in the middle.
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I don't quite buy this, Joe. Surely there were plenty of P1s and P0s (to coin a ranking for the likes of Ivanova) running around.
I'm more inclined to agree with KF on this one. (Although I would probably call full mundanes P 0's and give Ivanova a P 1/2, or something similar. It just seems to me that a rank of 0 ought to really mean Zero.)

My guess for most likely distribution would be more like the right half of a bell curve.

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I can't open the vspoiler box.Why not?
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1. Don't call me "Shirley"

2. I'm not sure what you're basing the "surely" on. Nearly all other characteristics in the human population that are either determined or heavily influenced by genes show the distribution I'm suggesting. Geniuses are rare and so are simpletons. The vast majority of the population falls in between the two extremes. Even other selected or self-selected non-genetic groups the same pattern is visible. The number players in the NBA who are great and the number of players who just barely play well enough to keep their jobs are both very small. The number of good but unspectacular players is much smaller.

3. I agree, Ivanova would be a P 0.5 or something. P0 would be a mundane - and yes, mundanes vastly outnumber all teeps, but they aren't part of the teep bell curve.

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I can't open the vspoiler box.Why not?
???? I'm not even seeing a spoiler box. I just see the tags, some line breaks and Andrew's text. I've added old fashioned "count down" numbers so those who see what I do can avoid the spoiler. I'm not sure why that isn't working or isn't working properly. I'll need to check with Antony.


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The number players in the NBA who are great and the number of players who just barely play well enough to keep their jobs are both very small.
However, on the "barely play well enough to keep their jobs" end, a *key* part of that is "in the NBA".

There are lots more players that are very similar, but were the last cuts, or are playing overseas, or are still playing in college, or decided that they were better off starting their coaching careers than being the last guy on the bench, or whatever. When somebody gets injured the teams can always come up with 13th and 14th players that are not a significant drop off from the 12th (although there may be a significant drop in the overall team when the one who got hurt was one of the top couple of players).


That's a case where the distribution in the overall population really is much closer to being the right half of a bell curve than to a complete bell curve. Remember that what you're claiming to be left side tail of this bell curve would have been the same guys who were in the fatter part of the curve in college. Where did the rest of that population disappear to when the turned 22? They're still out there; they just didn't get an NBA job. (And going back further, the same guys that you're claiming are the left tail of the distribution were out in the *right* tail in high school.)

Now, in the case of B5 universe telepaths:
The direction that human evolution appears to be going, I would expect that eventually the distribution of telepathic power in the population would end up being a bell curve. I just don't see the time period that we have been watching as being nearly enough generations removed from active teeps being initially discovered to be there. There's still way too much mixing of mundane and teep genetics, as evidenced by the widespread advertising to the mundane population to bring children in for testing. The peak of the curve may well be a little above the minimum (ignoring the spike at 0 / mundane), but I can't see it being anything close to evenly balanced on both sides ...... yet (come back in one or two hundred thousand years).
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2. I'm not sure what you're basing the "surely" on. Nearly all other characteristics in the human population that are either determined or heavily influenced by genes show the distribution I'm suggesting. Geniuses are rare and so are simpletons. The vast majority of the population falls in between the two extremes.
I think I see our differences here. You are examining telepaths as their own population, whereas I am examining them as a small part of the larger human population. So the way I've been looking at it, there's really only half of a bell curve, with the immense bulge being located at P0 or human-normal, then tapering down to the few hundred P12s (and Lyta as an outlier).

Your way of looking at it makes sense too -- from a different set of premises. I think we need more data before we figure out who's correct.
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